LL-L "Grammar" 2005.06.04 (06) [D/E]

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From: Mark Dreyer <mrdreyer at lantic.net>
Subject: LL-L "Language varieties" 2005.06.03 (12) [E]

Dear Ed

Subject: LL-L "Language varieties"

& for this occasion between me & thee, I thank thee.

Mark.

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From: Ingmar Roerdinkholder <ingmar.roerdinkholder at WORLDONLINE.NL>
Subject: LL-L "Grammar" 2005.06.04 (04) [D/E]

Ik ken dat gebruik ook uit Noord-Brabant, o.a. van mijn ex-schoonfamilie.
Is dat niet een oude genitief die als datief wordt gebruikt?
Trouwens, de oude genitief enkelvoud heeft precies dezelfde vorm als het
gewone meervoud: -s na een klinker, -e na medeklinkers.
Ook in samenstellingen vinden we dit terug: varkenSkot, kipPENren enz.

Voorbeelden van gebruik van naamval na persoonsnamen, Oost Noord-Brabant:

We gaon nor Omas             wij gaan naar Oma
Dä is van Tônne              dat is van Toon
Gifde gij dä is an Sjonnies  geef dat eens aan Johnny
Dì is veur Paule             dit is voor Paul

Ingmar

 Diederik Masure:
>P.S. also interesting though not about "who": although most dialects
>abandonned this too, Zandvliets dialect also has a "dative" for proper
>names, used after prepositions. For Jos = Veur Josse (jos+e); of Anne =
>van Annes. (+e when ending in consonant, +s when ending in vowel)

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