LL-L "Orthography" 2005.06.24 (04) [E]

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From: Uilleam Òg mhic Sheumais <goidel.glas at mask.ed>
Subject: LL-L "Orthography" 2005.06.24 (02) [E]

2005/6/24, Lowlands-L <lowlands-l at lowlands-l.net>:
  > surprise > suprise

  This would apply only in non-rhotic English varieties, of course.

Not so! Many people I know use the pronunciation "suprise" instead of 
"surprise", despite having rhotic accents. I think it's because of the three 
cosonants in a row, leading people to simplify the complex combination.

Beannachdan,
Uilleam Òg mhic Sheumais

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From: Críostóir Ó Ciardha <paada_please at masked.uk>
Subject: LL-L "Orthography" 2005.06.24 (02) [E]


Ron wrote in reply to Isaac and Jonny:
"Also, most speakers of US English don't pronounce the first "r" in 
February, pronouncing it as ['fEb(j)u at ri]."

I am lucky that I do not feel the need to see a link between pronounciation 
and spelling to understand either, because in Nottingham English "February" 
is pronounced "Febri". I remember at school we were forever told to repeat a 
long drawn out "Feb-rue-air-ree". (It was always amusing watching a teacher 
with a non-rhotic accent struggle to pronounce the final [r] in "air" and a 
trill on all the others.) Likewise, "January" is "Janri" (with a [.] hiatus 
between "Jan" and "-ri") and we would be mocked by the teacher, "Say 
Jannnnn-you-airrrr-rrrrrrree".

Also:
"USA: Elsewhere:
neighbor neighbour
realize realise..."

I don't know what it is like for speakers and readers of US English reading 
non-US English, but reading "color" makes me say "collar" in my head. 
"Favor" is like "fave or" rather than "fave er". "Honor" sounds like "on or" 
not "on er". "Dialog" looks amputated. "Aging" makes me say "a ging" not 
[e:dZing]. "Plow" makes me say in my head a word that rhymes with "blow". 
"Mold" sounds like it has a short vowel. "Donut" looks like "do nut". 
Obviously I would never pronounce any of these differently, but I hear them 
as above when I read.

Go raibh maith agaibh,

Criostóir.

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