LL-L "Language varieties" 2005.05.02 (02) [E]

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From: Ben Bloomgren <ben.bloomgren at asu.edu>
Subject: LL-L "Anniversary" 2005.04.31 (05) [LS]

dau mii een'n Gefall'n: hand' miin allerbeste Greutens wieter  tou Frou
Cramer-Freudenthal. Eer Leesen van dennen Tuunkrüper is "perrrrfekt"!!!
De Oul-Lanners köönt sick door düchdig wat an freu'n.

Wow, Johny, which dialect is that? It looks strange.
Ben

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From: James Campbell <james at zolid.com>
Subject: LL-L "Language varieties" 2005.04.31 (03) [E]

Ingmar eskrë »

> Älvard "J.C." te Kraamlep, is Jameld actually Western Germanic?

Yes, honestly, that's where its roots are. But it is a mutant offshoot of
WG. I suppose English is too, but in a different way.

> I read <Te Tënköizja> at the A-site, and that it is meant to be a sister
> of Dutch, Frisian and German, but I thought to remember that before other
> European languages and even Esperanto were also mentioned. But maybe I'm
> wrong about that.

An early version of the page had some info that had been obtained from
another site (not written by me). French has influenced Jameld, it's true;
keen-eyed Esperantists might be able to spot at most a handful of
Eo-influenced words in the Jameldic corpus, and all very old ones.

> I like Jameld, it looks beautiful to a lunatic language lover like I am,

*blush*

> but it looks more like a far off and isolated shoot of Germanic than
> Western Germanic, I think. It even reminded me at first sight to Estonian
> or another Finno-Ugric language, and that's the charme of it too.

I don't think anyone's compared it to anything non-IE before, so thanks for
that. 'Charm' is something I would hope to have achieved with it.

Allow me to add a gloss, with HG cognates where necessary, to these first
few lines:

> *The first lines of The Wren (Te Tënköizja) in Jameld:
>
> "Te taltallat     tallta  tes   te    tënköizja              aa   etü
> netst inte gareg^.
    the tale-teller told    daß the zaun-könig-chen had it-gen.

This is the traditional Jameldic way to open a story.

> Et wä aunts tes t'eldares wölaa           ot vor halen anstes          vor
> te yunges,
   it   was once                     (cf. Fr. voler)           holen
(something)

> und less     te züken älan.       Lati   pastsand, te väthi tenköizja kom
> ï homz."
          lassen     Küken all-one   Later (afterward)

As you can see, most of it is just about possibly WG, even though this may
not be immediately apparent.

> *The same in Middelsprake (De Heggeköng):
>
> "De heggeköng hadde bued siin nest in de wagenskure.
> Nu de elders ha boide flioged uut, de wilde fatte enigting
> to ete for de  lit fogels - on de ha lated dem heel alene.
> Afer enig tiid de fader kom weder heem."
>
> Middelsprake is meant to be Common Germanic, so both Western Germanic and
> Scandinavian. It is recognizable and understandable at first sight for
> speakers of Dutch, Low Saxon, Frisian, Danish, Swedish, Norwegian and
> probably of German too, and I think to a lesser extend also1 for English
> and Scots speakers.

Middelsprake should be pretty clear to most of the above, I'd have thought.

Best

James

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