LL-L "Etymology" 2005.05.05 (02) [E]

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From: Jonny Meibohm <altkehdinger at freenet.de>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2005.05.04 (02) [A/E]

Hi, Gabriele,

nice to have you back amongst these honourable chatterboxes! There was a
kind of lack, meantimes, because of your absence. We all missed your
"sharp-tongued' comments, off- or on-topic.

But- today you wrote:
(to my 'Hellboessen')
> This would be the same as the Dutch word "helleveeg" for a truly nasty
> woman/wife ("boessen" being a broom, and "veeg" meaning "sweep"). So maybe
> it's a loan from Dutch and that's where the "e" comes from.

I fear you are pretty next to the descendence of the word. Again it could be
influenced by the ancient Netherlandic settlers (beginning at the 13.
century) I had written formerly about. The word 'Hellboessen' I again did
pick up  from that family which had been living in the so called 'Sietland'
for a time and still is familiar with both types, 'origin'
Lower-Elbe-dialect and that special, Dutch-formed variation.

Keep cool the next two or ten months- it's a hard thing to move and emerge
next the very own roots.

Feeling with You, very specially:

Johannes "Jonny" Meibohm

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From: Theo Homan <theohoman at yahoo.com>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2005.05.04 (10) [E/LS]

> From: James C Stalker <stalker at msu.edu>
> Subject: L-L "Etymology" 2005.05.04 (08) [A/E]
>
> On another list, the orgin of the English term
> "poppycock" 'nonsense' has
> come up.  The possibility that it comes from Dutch
> and originally meant
> "soft feces" has been suggested.  Apparently a
> Google search supports this
> (folk?) etymology, but a standard Dutch dictionary
> does not provide any
> combination of several possibilities,
> "pap/pappe/pappen' + "kak," that would
> mean "soft feces."  Someone suggested that it might
> have a dialect origin.
> Any thoughts on this?
>
> Jim Stalker
>
> James C. Stalker
> Department of English
> Michigan State University

Hello:

'pap' and 'poep' are 'ablaut-variations'.

vr.gr.
Theo Homan

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From: Theo Homan <theohoman at yahoo.com>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2005.05.04 (02) [A/E]

> > Do other people know and use this word too?
>
> This would be the same as the Dutch word "helleveeg"
> for a truly nasty
> woman/wife ("boessen" being a broom, and "veeg"
> meaning "sweep"). So maybe
> it's a loan from Dutch and that's where the "e"
> comes from.

> Gabriele Kahn

Gabriele,

Did they ever call you "een helleveeg" .
I don't guess so. Right is that this word only is used
for women. And right is: "veeg" meaning "sweep".

But -alas- not in this word. There is an other word
'veeg' [with very old roots] meaning: 'going to die'.
The same word we have in the expression: het vege lijf
redden.
So in 'helleveeg' you not only wishes someone to die,
but also going to hel. [original meaning of 'hel'
being 'hiding-place'].

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Etymology

Thanks, Theo.

> 'veeg' [with very old roots] meaning: 'going to die'.
> The same word we have in the expression: het vege lijf
> redden.

So is this the same one that precedes "fire" in German _Fegefeuer_
'purgatory'?  I would assume so, if the meaning is 'to be bound to perish'
('to be bound to be purged') as opposed to attaining everlasting life.

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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