LL-L "Etymology" 2005.05.17 (03) [E/F]

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From: Henno Brandsma <hennobrandsma at hetnet.nl>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2005.05.16 (02) [E]

> From: Luc Hellinckx <luc.hellinckx at pandora.be>
> Subject: Etymology
>
> Beste Criostóir,
>
> Quite intriguing what you wrote about the Eastern Midlands. English
> 'our',
> being pronounced like _us_, would certainly refer to a coastal variety
> of
> Dutch, if ever there was Dutch influence. Nowadays, West Flemish still
> has
> _oes_/_uus_ instead of standard Dutch _ons_ (= _our_ (E)).
> Denasalization
> also happened in _goeze_ (West Flemish), _goose_ (E), _gans_ (D). But
> surely
> Frisian and Low Saxon may also have had, or still have this feature.
>
> Greetings,
>
> Luc Hellinckx

Yndie het it Westerlauwer Frysk "ús" [ys] en "goes" [gu. at s] foar dizze
wurden.
Ek: oar < *other < *anthar,  foar Nederlânsk "ander".
War it Saksysk oanbelanget is der bygelyks "oes" in Drinte, se hewwe
dêr in tydskrift "oeze taol". Mar yn goes hew ik it noch nea net heard yn it
Saksysk.

Mei freonlike groetnis,

Henno Brandsma

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From: heather rendall <HeatherRendall at compuserve.com>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2005.05.16 (02) [E]

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>But surely
Frisian and Low Saxon may also have had, or still have this feature.<

Saxon nazalisation gave English the following inter alia

fünf  >>>  fif   >>> five
uns  >>> us
gans >>> gos  >>   goose    but not in gander!
ander > OÐer  >> other
etc etc

I'd be inetrested to know how far this is part and parcel of the other
lowland languages. All of them? Some of them?  Which?

Heather

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Etymology

Low Saxon is a mixed bag in that certain words show ingveonic n-deletion in
certain words in certain dialects while other dialects do not; e.g., the
word for 'us' or 'our':

us ~ uns

I'm bidialectal in that I say _us_ in "Generalized North Saxon" but _uns_ in
Hamburg dialect.

However, other words consistently show n-deletion in all dialects; e.g.,

gous 'goose' (cf. Germ. _Gans_)
(goyse >) goys' 'geese' (cf. Germ. _Gänse_)
vyv 'five' (cf. Germ. _fünf_)

And then there are words that never show n-deletion in any dialect; e.g.,

(ander >) anner 'other' (cf. Eng. "other")
kün(d) 'aware', 'known' (cf. Eng./Sc. "couth")
mun(d) 'mouth' (now rare; cf. Eng. "mouth")
kin(d) 'child' (cf. Eng. "kith")

Hmmm ... does this mean that it didn't apply before /ð/ (> /d/)?!
Interesting!

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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