LL-L "Etymology" 2005.11.21 (06) [D/E/LS]

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   L O W L A N D S - L * 21 November 2005 * Volume 04
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From: Sandy Fleming <sandy at scotstext.org>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2005.11.21 (02) [E]

> From: jonny <jonny.meibohm at arcor.de>
> Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2005.11.20 (05) [E]
>
> I found another one there, which I had been looking for an equivalent in
> another language for times:
>
> _stårkia'_, E: 'girl' we have in LS as 'Starke', meaning a young cow (*a
> cow-girl*) older than one year bot not pregnant.(If the same is
> pregnant we
> call it LS:'Queene'; I think its stem can be found in the IE 'gyn-'.)
>
> I don't think it to be a loan from LS, but both words I suppose to be
> from
> the same (dark?) origin.

In Scots we have "stirk" meaning a bullock or a heifer - usually a
bullock. A heifer would be a "stot", if I'm understanding these farmyard
terms correctly.

You can do a search in http://scotstext.org/ for a fair number of
examples from the literature, including the application of "stirk" to
human beings as an insult.

Sandy Fleming
http://scotstext.org/

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From: jonny <jonny.meibohm at arcor.de>
Subject: LL-L "no subject"

Sandy wrote:

> "kye"  /ka:i/  is Scots for "cattle" and apparently Cleveland dialect too.
In LS we use the same word for E:'cows'(pl.), besides LS: 'Koy' /ko:i/.

BTW: _Cleveland_- does it mean 'land of clover' (LS: 'Kleyber' /kle:iba/) or
'clay-land' (LS: 'Klei' /kla:i/)? There is a town near the Dutch/German
border, at the Rhine-river, named 'Kleve'. Could there perhaps exist any
connection via a Dutch/Flemish settlement?

Thanks and regards

Johannes "Jonny" Meibohm

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From: Ingmar Roerdinkholder <ingmar.roerdinkholder at WORLDONLINE.NL>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2005.11.21 (04) [E]

Het Nederlands heeft "beer" als gebruikelijk woord voor "mannelijk varken",
en zo ook het Nedersaksisch hier te lande. Maar begrijp ik nu dat "baar"
in Duitsland eigenlijk niet bestaat, of een andere betekenis heeft,
namelijk "gesneden varken"? Overigens kennen we daar het werkwoord
"lubberen" voor, meestal ook "castreren" genoemd. Groeten van Ingmar

>Jonny schreev:
>> **Mod. LS has _baar_ for 'male pig'.
>Woneem hesst Du dat utgroovt? Is dat noch jichenswo bruuklich? Hebb 'ck al
>me Leev no' ne hoyrt, man- dat gefallt mi heyl best! Hoyrt woll tou
>E:'boar'.

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Etymology

Sandy, folks,

Let me gild Jonny's lily by adding that he gave you the North Saxon 
pronunciation of the Lower Elbe region, and that in the entire dialect area 
the words are pronounced like this (* = Lower Elbe):

kou (<Koh> ~ <Kauh>) [kO:/U] ~ [ka:/U] 'cow'
koy (<Köh> ~ <Keuh>) [k9:/I] ~ [kO:/I]* 'cows'
kleyver (<Kle(i)ver> ~ <Kle(i)ber>) ["klE:/IvV] ~ ["kla:/IvV] ~
        ["klE:/IbV]* ~ ["kla:/IbV]* 'clover'
klay (<Klei>) [kla:/I] 'clay'

En onze Ingmar, niet te vergeten:

> Het Nederlands heeft "beer" als gebruikelijk woord voor "mannelijk 
> varken",
> en zo ook het Nedersaksisch hier te lande. Maar begrijp ik nu dat "baar"
> in Duitsland eigenlijk niet bestaat, of een andere betekenis heeft,
> namelijk "gesneden varken"?

Ja, en wegens nederlands "beer", engels "boar" en nedersaksisch "borg" werd 
ik verward.

In Noordduitsland {nederlandse spelling}:

baar {baor} 'beer' ('bear', ursus)
baar {baor} 'sterke kerel' ('strong guy'*)
baar {baor}  'hei(blok)' ('ram', 'rammer')
baar {baor} '(dril)boor' ('bore', 'drill')

[* In het engels is slang is "bear" een slang naam voor een potige, harige 
gay man (behalve in de conventionele uitdrukking "a bear of a man" 'een 
grote, sterke man').]

varken 'big' ('piglet') (Oostfriesland: bigge)*
swyn {swien} 'varken', zwijn' ('pig', 'swine')
soeg' {zeug'} 'zeug' (sow)
ever {ewer} 'beer' ('boar')
borg 'castreerd beer' ('castrated boar')

[* varken ["fa:k=N] 'big' ('piglet') vs vaken ["f@:k=N] ~ ["fo:k=N] 'vaak' 
(often')]

kappunen {kappoenen} 'castreren' ('to castrate', 'to geld')
uut-kloyten {oetkluiten} 'castreren' ('to castrate', 'to geld',
     lit. "de-ball") ;-)

Van een "oostersch" woord dat naar 'lubberen' verwandt zou kunnen zijn 
(*lübbern, *löbbern, *lubbern, *lobbern) ben ik me niet bewust . Misschien 
onze Jonny of iemand anders o[ de lijst?

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron 

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