LL-L "Etymology" 2005.10.07 (04) [E]

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07 October 2005 * Volume 04
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From: Sandy Fleming <sandy at scotstext.org>
Subject: "Etymology" [E]

> From: Kevin Caldwell <kevin.caldwell1963 at verizon.net>
> Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2005.09.28 (09) [D/E]
>
> Well, technically, the title of Joyce's book is "Finnegans Wake" (no
> apostrophe). Also, I've only ever heard the term "gobstoppers" in 
> connection
> with Roald Dahl's "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory" (and in the film
> verion, "Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory"), in which one of Willy
> Wonka's experimental candies is called the Everlasting Gobstopper. "Gob" 
> is
> another word for "mouth".

We had gobstoppers when I was a kid in Scotland in the 60's, so it's well 
before Willy Wonka I think.

The idea of an "Everlasting <Sweet>" is very old too. My mother told me her 
headmaster in Musselburgh was called "The Everlasting Jub-Jub" /'dZub'dZub/ 
because of his habit of always moving his jaw as if he was sucking on a 
sweet (a jub-jub is something like a very small wine gum, I think). There 
was also an actual sweet which was a strip of soft toffee that took a long 
time to suck your way through called an "Everlasting Strip".

The word "gob" /gVb/ is common in Scots, always considered impolite. It 
means "mouth" as a noun, or "to hawk and spit" as a verb. To gob someone 
with something is to hit them in the face with it, as we saw in earlier 
postings of "The Portree Kid" where someone "gubbed him wi an ashtray made 
oot a curlin stane".

Sandy
http://scotstext.org/

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From: Sandy Fleming <sandy at scotstext.org>
Subject: "Names" [E]

> From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Names
>
> >From a Low Saxon angle, this sounds suspiciously like "Go and tinkle* in
> your own corner!"  :-)  (* in every sense of the word, in Geordie _ring_,
> _tinkle_ and _pittle_).  There *is* a Low Saxon verb _pingeln_ (vs 
> _pinkeln_
> 'to pee'), and it means 'to tinkle/ring', obviously onomatopoetic in 
> origin.

In Scots "pingle" means "to tinkle/ring", I've never heard it used for "to 
pee". It can also mean that something still hurts, physically, eg "my 
fingers is pinglin" could mean they're still actively painful from being hit 
with a hammer or it could mean that they're painful due to the cold.

Sandy
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From: jonny <jonny.meibohm at arcor.de>
Subject: LL-L "Names" 2005.10.06 (05) [E/N]

Glenn, Reinhard,

about 'to pingle' Reinhard wrote:
> There *is* a Low Saxon verb _pingeln_ (vs
> _pinkeln_
> 'to pee'), and it means 'to tinkle/ring', obviously onomatopoetic in
> origin.
We have both in Standard German:
'tingeln (umher-)' in the meaning of E: 'to tinkle (around)' and 'pingelig'
in the meaning of E: 'to be nitpicking'.

Greutens/Regards

Johannes "Jonny" Meibohm 

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