LL-L "Etymology" 2005.10.10 (02) [E/F]

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   L O W L A N D S - L * 10 October 2005 * Volume 02
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From: Hugo Zweep <Zweep at bigpond.com>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2005.10.07 (11) [E]

Hold on - we've gone past your "kluntje". In Winschoten, Groningen in the
1940s I recall "klontje suker" or "suker klontjes" which were dropped into
coffee cups by the adults or pilfered by me so I could crunch on them. They
were used by my mother after we moved to Australia and we still called them
klontjes as in "do you want one lump or two".

Where does kluntje/klontje come from?

Hugo Zweep

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From: Hugo Zweep <Zweep at bigpond.com>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2005.10.08 (05) [D/E]

Sorry Ron. My question answered. Just catching up.

Hugo Zweep

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From: burgdal32admin <burgdal32 at pandora.be>
Subject: LL-L "Language varieties" 2005.10.09 (02) [D/E/LS]


  Reinhard/Ron


  ***


  Middle Flemish:


    MIJN BOEL


    Mijn boel, daer al mijn vruechd aen steit,


  Modern Dutch:


    MET MIJN BOEL


    Met mijn boel kan ik mijn vreugde delen,
Hi Ron,
I would use "geliefde"  for the old world "boel" in modern Dutch.
 Boel in modern Dutch/Flemish  has mostly a totally different meaning 
(something like troubles in English)
It was also used as "lover", somebody who loves someone outside the 
marriage. (Which might have been the origin for the "troubles")


groetjes
Luc Vanbrabant
Oekene

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From: burgdal32admin <burgdal32 at pandora.be>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2005.10.09 (03) [E/F]

> From: Henno Brandsma <hennobrandsma at hetnet.nl>
> Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2005.10.08 (03) [D/E]
>
>  From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
>  Subject: Etymology
>
>  Ha, die Floor!  Long time no hear!
>
>    De algemene naam voor "candy" in het Nederlands is "snoep".
>  In "Oostersch" Low Saxon it tends to be _snabbel-kraam_
> (<Snabbelkraam>, German _Süßigkeit(en)_) -- so it's "_snabbel_-
> stuff."  In some dialects you also get _snubbel-kraam_
> (<Snubbelkraam>) and the verb _snubbeln_, probably a case of labial
> assimilation.  (My wife has adopted "to schnubbel" [SnUb=l] for "to
> eat" as a part of our English-based home lingo.)  I suspect that
> these words are derived from or inspired by German _schnabulieren_
> 'to enjoy (food)', a jocularly invented "foreign" word based on
> _Schnabel_ 'beak' (related to MidSax _sneb_ > ModLS_snep_ ~ _snip_,
> German _Schnepfe_ and English _snipe_, to Dutch _nep_ and English
> "nib" 'point', 'beak' (without the prefix _s-_), and also to LS
> _snappen_, German _Schnappen_, English "snap," also "snippy,"
> "nab," "nip," etc.).  So I assume that Dutch _snoep_ (labial
> assimilation /i/ -> /u/) is related to this group of words.
> En it Westerlauwer Frysk hat "snobbersguod" foar Nederlânsk
> "snoep". en it tiidwurd derby is "snobje".
> Ik soe "snâle" sizze foar N. 'snavel', mar ik leau dat oare wurden
> ek wol brûkt wurde.

'Snoepen' in Flemish is "sneukelen", and 'snoep' is "sneukelgoed".

Groetjes
Luc Vanbrabant
Oekene 

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