LL-L "Etymology" 2005.09.15 (12) [E]

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From: Ingmar Roerdinkholder <ingmar.roerdinkholder at WORLDONLINE.NL>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2005.09.15 (05) [E]

Het Nederlands heeft zowel "sinds" als "sedert". Dat laatste woord klink
erg formeel en ouderwets, en nogal Belgisch, maar dat kon wel eens niet
kloppen, zoals ook bij "gans" het geval bleek te zijn.
In het NL Nedersaksisch wordt "sund" of "sunds" gebruikt, met geronde [2]
dus, zoals in "sör".

Groeten van Ingmar

>From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
>
>Ja, "sör" (<sörr>) kümt vun "sörrer" af, und dat vun "södder" (-dd- > -rr-
:
>"flapping"), 'n anner wourd voer _syt_ (<siet>), Duytsch _seit_, Ingelsch
>_since_, Schotsch _syne_.
>
>"Södder" is vun Old-Sassisch _sîth_ 'glyks achter ran (in tyd)', 'södder',
>'den', 'daar up', 'later' af-kamen.  Tjer, eynklich keym _södder_ vun de
>langere vorm _sîthor_ mit dat sülvige beduyden af.  Verwandt daar mit is
>_sîthon_ 'weg-gaan', 'raysen'.
>
>Old-Ingelsch het _siððon_ mit de körter vorm _siþ_ in den sülvigen sin.
>In't Middel-Ingelsche is uut /sið-/ _siþ_ un _-ence_ _sithence_ worden,
>later körter _since_, ook _sin_ ~ _syne_ un _sithen_.
>
>Hyr hebt wy 't mit Ingveonismen to doun.  'n Old /n/ is voer /ð/ weg-
vullen;
>daar wegen Germaansch *_sinþan_ 'weg-gaan' < Indo-Europeesch *_sêi-_
>'senden'.

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From: jonny <jonny.meibohm at arcor.de>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2005.09.15 (05) [E]

Wow!

Ron:
> _Sör_ is derived from _sörrer_, which came from _södder_ (-dd- > -rr-:
> "flapping"), another word for _syt_ (<siet>), German _seit_, English
> _since_, Scots _syne_.
>
> _Södder_ goes back to Old Saxon _sîth_ 'thereupon', 'since', 'then', '(not
> much) later'.  Actually, it's derived from the extended form _sîthor_ with
> the same meaning.  It is related to _sîthon_ 'depart', 'travel'.

It's very archaic, isn't it? Nothing comparable in G. Fascinating, really.
But- I had a slight guess before: this 'sör' could be very old and special-
my French assumption didn't satisfy me at all.

How many years must a man... learn his own language, before he's called t'
be a native???

Thanks, Reinhard!

Allerbest Greutens/Regards

Johannes "Jonny" Meibohm

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