LL-L "Etymology" 2006.04.01 (03) [D/E/LS]

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   L O W L A N D S - L * 01 April 2006 * Volume 03
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From: Stellingwerfs Eigen <info at stellingwerfs-eigen.nl>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2006.03.31 (09) [E/LS]

Jonny wrote:
> is door jichenseen mang Jou, de mii helpen kann?

1. _ esumieren/esumeern_, G: 'umschmeicheln', E: 'to flatter (around
someone)'. Schall uut dat Olland koomen. Reini- hesst Du dat mool van Tant'
Klara höört?? P. Kaempfert meynt, dat weyr man 'n anner Woord föör (Franz.)
"estemeer'n", G: '(wert-)schätzen".


Ik zol zeggen:
D: schmeigeln; Nl: vleien, van Dale: 1 dingen zeggen die aangenaam zijn of 
tot lof strekken, maar die overdreven of onwaar zijn => een fluwelen tong 
hebben, iem. naar de mond praten, pluimstrijken, stroopsmeren, zoete 
broodjes bakken Stellingwarfs: mooipraoten, liemen; Nl: (s)lijmen

2. _quo(o)tern_- weller eyn van de *Gummiwöör*: G: 'in Frage stellen,
bezweifeln, fragwürdig sein", E: 'to doubt, to be not definite, to be
unclear'.

      E: decided, decisive, definite, definitive, final, firm, positive = 
Nl.: definitief, onherroepelijk, vast
      E: definite, particular, specific = Nl.: bepaald, definitief
      E: clear, definite, demonstrable, evident, obvious, patent = Nl.: 
apert, duidelijk, evident, kennelijk, klaarblijkelijk, uitgesproken
      E: definite, outright, undoubted, unmistakable, unquestionable = Nl.: 
gewis, ontwijfelbaar, waaraan niet te twijfelen valt, zeker


Mit een vrundelike groet uut Stellingwarf (Fryslân),
Piet Bult

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From: Stellingwerfs Eigen <info at stellingwerfs-eigen.nl>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2006.03.31 (09) [E/LS]

Jonny wrote:
> _nuver_ obviously is French: 'nouveau', and all of LS-people us dislike
the NEWS ;-)!

_nouveau_ is St.: ni'j (Nl.: nieuw) St.: ni'js (Nl.: nieuws)
Gelokkig he'k gien verstaand van etymology, mar oons _nuver_  het toch niks
mit _nouveau_ te maeken..?
Mit een vrundelike groet uut Stellingwarf (Fryslân),
Piet Bult

PS.
Et is hier now 02:00 ure dat ik gao op bedde... Welterusten

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From: Jacqueline Bungenberg de Jong <Dutchmatters at comcast.net>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2006.03.31 (09) [E/LS]

Jonny says: Nuver is obviously derived from nouveau:
I don't know Jonny. nouveau is neu in German nieuw in Dutch etc.
I would think the word "nijver" might be its second cousin or so,
nijver means industrious, dilligent. Does anybody know the truth about this?
But then maybe "nijver" is a derivation of Nivernois, somebody from the city
of Nevers and maybe the people there were always busy? Jacqueline

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From: Ingmar Roerdinkholder <ingmar.roerdinkholder at WORLDONLINE.NL>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2006.03.31 (09) [E/LS]

"Nuver" from French nouveau? Non, merci...
The pronunciation is ["ny:v at r], so in German based spelling it would
be "nüwer".
I think it is the same word as Dutch "nijver" = diligent, industrious,
from which one would expect a Low Saxon "niever", but in Stellingwerven
and Veluwe varieties of Low Saxon one finds rounding of [i] between
labials => [y]. Rounding of [i] between labials is also very common in
Zeelandic/Flemish dialets of the South Western Netherlands and Western
Belgium. wuuf [wyf] = D. wijf (wife), bubel ["byb at l] = D. bijbel (Bible),
pupe ["pyp@] = D. pijp (pipe) etc.

But I share your observation of "Neophobia" among the Low Saxons, rather
fear for new things than for the news, I guess. At least compared to
Hollanders and Frisians, the average Low Saxon in the Neterlands is
relatively a bit more thoughtful, more cautious, more careful and less
outspoken. In this sense we can clearly see the Frisian background of the
Groningen Low Saxons (who spoke Frisian until a few hundred years ago) who
are generally more extravert and enterprising than the 'original' Low
Saxons from Drenthe (incl. Stellingwerven), Salland, Twente and the
Achterhoek.
Speaking about prejudices...

Ingmar

>From: jonny <jonny.meibohm at arcor.de>
>Subject: LL-L "Idiomatica" 2006.03.31 (08) [D/E/LS]
>
>Hi, Piet and  Jacqueline,
>
>_nuver_ obviously is French: 'nouveau', and all of LS-people us dislike
the
>NEWS ;-)!
>
>Greutens/Regards
>
>Johannes "Jonny" Meibohm 

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