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L O W L A N D S - L * 24 August 2006 * Volume 01
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From: David Barrow [davidab at telefonica.net.pe]
Subject: LL-L 'Phonology' 2006.08.23 (06) [E/LS/German]

> From: Heather Rendall [HeatherRendall at compuserve.com]
> Subject: LL-L 'Etymology' 2006.08.23 (01) [D/E/LS/German]
>
> Message text written by INTERNET:lowlands-l at LOWLANDS-L.NET
>   
>> On the other hand, Low Saxon has a word for 'alley' _twyt(e)_ (Twiete,
>>     
> Twiet
> [tvi:t(e)], still used in some North German street names, _Twiete_ also
> meaning
> 'alley' in Hamburg German). <
>
> We have 'twittens' - which are the small alleys leading from the street to
> houses situated at the back of the main house.
> Very often the twitten leads to a small courtyard off which other
> houses/dwellings can be found.
>
> My mother ( from Norfolk) always uses the term - so I am not too sure if it
> only East Anglian or whether it is used generally in the UK
>
> Heather
>   
Heather,

It's used in Sussex at least:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/southerncounties/voices2005/sx_gloss.shtml

David Barrow

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From: Heiko Evermann [heiko.evermann at gmx.de]
Subject: LL-L 'Phonology' 2006.08.23 (06) [E/LS/German]

The explanation I heard of was that it refers to the two parallel paths that
wheels make on an unpaved road. Or to two parallel lines of concrete that are
used in agricultural areas for the tractors where you need some pavement but
no real road.
At least that is what my father found out somewhere. I grew up in a street
called "Högertwiete" in Elmshorn. It was named after Fritz Höger
(http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritz_Höger\) who was born in Elmshorn. The
street is in a neighbourhood that was build in the 1970s and my father was
always a bit annoyed that this was the only street in the area that was
called a "Twiete" as if someone from the local administration was unwilling
to grant Fritz Höger a "proper" street.

Kind regards,

Heiko

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From: Henno Brandsma [hennobrandsma at hetnet.nl]
Subject: LL-L 'Phonology' 2006.08.23 (06) [E/LS/German]

> From: 'jonny' [jonny.meibohm at arcor.de]
> Subject: LL-L 'Etymology' 2006.08.22 (06) [D/E]
>
> Hi, Elsie,
>
> Du schreevst:
>> Does that mean that the origin of the name of the loerie-bird species
>> found
>> in South Africa relates to the
>> name of the loarie tree in Europe?
>
> De DUDEN seggt door tou:
>
> 1.: Lerche:
>
> Der germ. Vogelname mhd. lerche, ahd. lerahha, niederl. leeuwerik,
> engl. lark,
> schwed. lärka lässt sich nicht sicher deuten. Das zugrunde
> liegende germ.
> *laiwrikon, das keine außergerm. Entsprechungen hat, enthält
> vielleicht als
> ersten Bestandteil ein lautmalendes »lai-«.
> Duden - Das Herkunftswörterbuch, 3. Aufl. Mannheim 2001

It Fryske wurd is "ljurk", it Skiermuontseagersk hat "lorts" (at it
my goed heucht).
De lêste foarm is neffens Spenter syn boek oer it Skm. de meast
oarspronklike: hy fermoedet
dat it by "ljurk" om in betide ûntliening út it Hollânske "leeuwerik"
giet.

> 2.: Lärche:
>
> Der Name des zu der Gattung der Kieferngewächse gehörigen
> Nadelbaums (mhd.
> larche, lerche) geht auf ahd. *larihha zurück, das aus lat. larix
> »Lärche«
> entlehnt ist. Das lat. Wort seinerseits stammt wahrscheinlich aus
> der Sprache der
> gallischen Alpenbewohner. Die Schreibung mit ä dient lediglich zur
> Unterscheidung
> vom Vogelnamen »Lerche«.
> Duden - Das Herkunftswörterbuch, 3. Aufl. Mannheim 2001

De Fryske foarm (nêst it liende "lariks") is: "liere" of "lier(e)beam".
De etymology is ûndúdlik.

> GRIMM schrivvt:
>
> "BRACHLERCHE, f. alauda campestris. die lerche sitzt gern auf Ã
> ¤ckern in der
> furche, vgl. das gedicht von des hundes nôt 81 (in einer
> furhstege) und
> WACKERNAGELS hübsche deutung von lerche, lêracha aus laiswacha,
> furchenwacherin
> (HAUPT 5, 14), der doch das ags. lâferce, altn. lôa, lafa
> entgegentritt."
> Man- de Lark sitt amend ne inne Föhr- de sitt leyber opp dennen
> platten Acker!
>
> Greutens/Regards
>
> Johannes "Jonny" Meibohm
>
> ----------
>
> From: R. F. Hahn [sassisch at yhoo.com]
> Subject: Etymology
>
> Here's another etymology question.
>
> English has "lane," Scots has _loan_, and Dutch has _laan_, but
> there seem to be
> no cognates in Low Saxon. Might this be a Frisicism?
>
> Old English: lane
> Middle Dutch: laen
> Old Frisian: lana, lona, laen
> Mod. N. Frisian: lana, lona
> Mod. W. Frisian: leane

"loane" < "lona" bestiet ek yn Mod W. Frisian. It is tink in
dialektferskil.

Mei freonlike groetenis

Henno Brandsma

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From: Heather Rendall [HeatherRendall at compuserve.com]
Subject: LL-L 'Phonology' 2006.08.23 (06) [E/LS/German]

Message text written by INTERNET:lowlands-l at LOWLANDS-L.NET
>Bear in mind that _tw..._ is not a native German<

??????????

Please explain further?

Heather

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From: R. F. Hahn [sassisch at yhoo.com]
Subject: Etymology

Hi, Heather!

As a part of the "High German Shift" (in which Low Saxon and other Lowlands
varieties did not participate), _tw-_ and _dw-_ have changed to /tsv-/ (written
_zw-_); e.g.;

English | W.Frisian | Dutch | L.Saxon || German | Luxemb. | Yiddish

two | twa | twee | /tvei/ twee || zwei | zwee | צוויי tsvey

twelve | tolf | twaalf | /tvölv/ twölf || zwölf | zwielef | צוועלף tsvelf

twenty | tweintich | twintig | /tvintig/ twintig || zwanzig | zwanzeg | ×¦×•×•×Ö·× ×¦×™×§
tsvantsik

dwarf | dwerch | dwerg | /dvarg/ Dwarg || Zwerg | Zwerg | --

(compel) | -- | dwingen | /dviN-n/ dwingen || zwingen | zwéngen | ×¦×•×•×™× ×’×¢×Ÿ tsvingen

***

Gothic | Old Norse | Old English | Old Frisian | Old Saxon || Old German

twai | tveir | twá | twâ | twâ, twô | twâ, twô, twê || zwâ, zwô

twalif | tólf | twelf | twelef, twilif | twelif, twilif, twulif || zwelif

twai-tigjus | tuttugu | twentig | tw(e)intich | twentig, twēntig || zweinzug

-- | dvergr | dweorg, dweorh | dwirg | dwerg || twerg (> zwerg)

-- | þvinga | -- | thwinga | thwingan || dwingan (> *twingan > zwingen)

***

Words that in Modern German begin with _tw-_ or _dw-_ are inevitably loanwords
(usually from Low Saxon or English).

I hope this clarifies it.

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron
(birthday boy)

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