LL-L "History" 2006.01.13 (03) [E]

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13 January 2006 * Volume 03
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From: daniel prohaska <danielprohaska at bluewin.ch>
Subject: LL-L "History" 2006.01.09 (02) [E]

From: Daniel Prohaska <danielprohaska at bluewin.ch>
Subject: LL-L "Phonology"

Dear Paul, Reinhard,
Cimbrian (Zimbrisch) is an off-shoot of 12th and 13th century Carinthian and
East Tyrolean dialects the speakers of which settled in the first "seven
communities" from which a further "15 communities were founded".

There is no genetic or linguistic relation to the "Cimbri", the Germanic (or
Celtic) tribe mentioned my Tacitus to have moved into what it northern Italy
today.

It was only in the 18th or 19th centuries that it was thought that these
speakers of this colonial Bavarian dialect were the descendents of the
"Cimbri", but from a linguistic point of view this cannot be sustained.

Dan

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From: Paul Finlow-Bates <wolf_thunder51 at yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: LL-L "Phonology" 2006.01.09 (01) [E]

Lowlands-L lowlands-l at LOWLANDS-L.NET
Ron wrote:
"..Cimbrian of the Carnian Alps....possibly indicating Celtic origin...."
Maybe, though the Cimbri are identified by Tacitus as living in the Jutland
peninsula, modern Denmark.  They, along with the Chauci, are sometimes
identifed as one of the tribes making up the Saxons.

Thanks for the language examples, I've never seen those languages before.

Paul.

PS Ron, when I hit the "reply" button, all the text on your message had
strike-through!

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Phonology

Hi, one of my favorite Pauls!

You're absolutely right.  There does seem to be a connection between the
_Zimbern_ of the Alps and the _Kimbern_ of Southern Sweden, Jutland and
parts of Schleswig-Holstein (thus roughly overlapping with the Gothic
homeland).  Those guys apparently moved southward, just as others did, such
as Langobards, Goths and Vandals.  (Not that you can blame them climatewise,
but ... geez! ... look at them now!  Oops!  Most of them are gone now,
gobbled up.  Hurray for staying in the dreary Lowlands!  ;-) )  It must have
been hellish up north then, though, what with those floods and stuff.

What that says about the names and my wild fantasies ... I don't know.  But
for now I cling to the vain hope that Cymru (Wales), Cumbria, Cumberland,
Cimmeria and Cimbria are all related.  (So sue me!)  It has been alleged
that Cimbria is related to Saxon _kimme_ 'edge' (> now mostly _kimm_ ~
_kimming_ 'horizon').  So maybe that's what they all were: people on the
edge, the periphery, and the Saxons called the Welsh that.  But noooo!  The
OED has to disagree again, deriving the British names from Celtic _kombrogi_
('fellow countrymen' < sg. _kombrogos_).  Oh, sure!  Be like that!  I prefer
my cutting-edge theory much better (and I'm unanymous in that).
Cheerio!
Reinhard/Ron
P.S.:
> PS Ron, when I hit the "reply" button, all the text on your message had
> strike-through!
That's really weird!  And you're blaming moi?  ;-) 

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