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L O W L A N D S - L * 16 July 2006 * Volume 05
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From: Tom Mc Rae <t.mcrae at uq.net.au> 
Subject: LL-L 'Delectables' 2006.07.16 (03) [E/LS]

On 17/07/2006, at 9:53 AM, Sandy Fleming <sandy at scotstext.org> wrote:
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> Subject:  LL-L 'Delectables' 2006.07.16 (02) [E/LS]
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>  (Liberton now a suburb in the southernmost reaches of
>
> Edinburgh)

I grew up near Liberton and know the place well.
Many years ago there was a leper colony there and the old Liberton Kirk  has a
Lepers' window through which they could watch the services.
A local theory in my days was that Liberton was a derivation of "Leper Toon"
which seems plausible to me.
A walk along the stream at Liberton Dams will bring any Geology fans to Glacier
Rock. It is virtually unknown to people nowadays but the French geologist Agassiz
discovered scratches on rocks there which caused him to say to his companions
'C'est la travaille de la glace'. I was pleased to see this relic of Ice Age activity
remained un-vandalised during my visit in 2004.

Regards

Tom Mc Rae
Brisbane Australia

Oh Wad Some Power the Giftie Gie Us
Tae See Oorsel's as Ithers See Us
Robert Burns

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From: Tom Mc Rae <t.mcrae at uq.net.au> 
Subject:  LL-L 'Delectables' 2006.07.16 (03) [E/LS]

On 17/07/2006, at 9:53 AM, Sandy Fleming <sandy at scotstext.org>
 wrote:

Never came across the Liberton cheese in my many years resident in Edinburgh.
Sorry I missed it.

> England still seems to have a proper cheese-making tradition with
>
> Stilton, Red Leicester, Double Gloucester, Wensleydale, Somerset Brie
>
> and so on. 
Interesting fact is that Wensleydale was a fast dying breed only rescued by some
bits of plasticine. (Honestly).
The factory was not paying its way as demand had fallen off then along came
Wallace and Grommet central characters in several animations
involving inventor Wallace and his genius of a dog, both cheese freaks favouring
Wensleydale. The series caught on worldwide, there was a renaissance in
Wensleydale consumption, and then factory is now thriving again.
All duly recounted with the extras on the DVD of "Curse of the Were Rabbit"
including a visit to the factory.

Regards

Tom Mc Rae
Brisbane Australia

Oh Wad Some Power the Giftie Gie Us
Tae See Oorsel's as Ithers See Us
Robert Burns

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From: 'Global Moose Translations' <globalmoose at t-online.de> 
Subject:  LL-L 'Delectables' 2006.07.16 (03) [E/LS]

Luc wrote:
>Industrial development in the early nineteenth century may have played a
role
>too. Could it be that in those regions where manufactories set off, the
eating
>habits of people changed somehow?

But a "cheese culture" was absent long before that. Just think of those
elaborate buildings in Holland containing cheese scales, such as in Gouda,
for example - they are many centuries old! But no such thing was ever
mentioned in Germany. Also, every town or region in Northern Germany has its
local specialties that have survived the industrialisation of food. But no
cheeses.

What about the Dutch part of Frisia? Do they have cheeses, while the East
Frisians do not?

Gabriele Kahn

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Delectables 

Gabriele is right.  The absence of traces of earlier non-Dutch cheese-making
industry in Northern Germany is quite conspicuous and makes you wonder.  There
are all kinds of breads, cakes, deserts, preserved meats and fish, but no cheese.
 In local museums you find butter-making equipment but no cheese-making equipment.

As I said earlier, there appears to have been a sort of Dutch cheese monopoly, if
not a fairly widespread dairy industry monopoly.  Perhaps it was the Dutch corner
of the market, along with spice trading and flower cultivation, and previous
inhabitants of Northern Germany couldn't keep up with it or never even got to the
stage of industrializing the craft before the Dutch immigrants moved in and took
over.  I have a feeling that people in Holland were economically farther advanced
than people farther east (including all Saxon-speaking areas) who sat on their
farms and did business as usual, like centuries earlier.  After all, Holland had
severe problems with gaining or just keeping arable land, and, like the Frisians,
were constantly threatened by flooding, more so than farther inland in what are
now the Eastern Netherlands and Northern Germany.  This would explain their
busy-ness in securing a major place in international trading, and it also
explains waves of Dutch settlers going east for centuries.

Could there be a "French" link?  By that I mean not only French-speaking areas
but also those in which related languages are spoken, such as Picard and Walloon.
 There's been a lot of cheese making going on there.  Perhaps it was passed on
from there to Holland via what is now Belgium, and the Dutch were clever and
industrious (or desperate) enough to say, "Good deal! We have plenty of cows
already."  What about cheese making in England and Scotland?  Did that come in
with the Norman occupation?  What I'm talking about is hard cheese.  Soft
cheeses, to be eaten fairly fresh, were made in the Western Slavonic areas,
including what is now Eastern Germany.  Maybe hard cheese making didn't reach
farther east than the Netherlands, and most of Northern Germany was a type of no
man's land between soft cheeses and hard cheeses.  And he keeps guessing wildly.

Or ... the whole thing could be a Dutch racket, a conspiracy to leave North
Germans caseically disadvantaged.  Oh, yes, yes!  That must be it.

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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