LL-L "Etymology" 2006.03.23 (03) [A/D/E/LS]

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23 March 2006 * Volume 03
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From: Marcel Bas <marcelbas at gmail.com>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2006.03.23 (01) [A/D/E/LS/German]


Dagsê, almal!

Ron skryf:

> Ik geloof een gelijkaardig geval is Duits _Igel_ (egel) en _Egel_
> (bloedzuiger), die schijnbaar beide van een oud woord voor 'klein dier'
> afgeleid zijn.  (En Engels _eagle_ < Oud-Frans _egle_ ~ _aigle_
> 'adelaar'?)

Dit is in elk geval waar dat die woorde _egel_ en _Igel_ en selfs die 
Griekse woord _echinos_  (= krimpvark, Ndl. egel) herlei kan word tot 'n 
Indo-Europese wortel *angui- wat 'slang, wurm' beteken het. Protogermaans 
sou tot *agwi- gelei het: (> egel) en met nasalisering behou tot *angraz-: 
(>_engerling_ [=maaier/larf van die meikewer]). *agwi- was miskien ook die 
grondwoord vir _akkedis_, _Eidechse_, _hagedis_.

_Eagle_ en en _aigle_ kom albei van Lat. _aquila_: 'arend'.

Groetnis,

Marcel.

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From: Jacqueline Bungenberg de Jong <Dutchmatters at comcast.net>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2006.03.23 (01) [A/D/E/LS/German]

Roger says: <However, we do have in my dialect a compound noun /geihunger/ ,
Dutch 'geeuwhonger', which is supposed to be derived from '*gahonger'. The
first component  /gei/ is non other than the uimlaut result of Middle Dutch
'gâ' "gauw".Cpr. German 'jäh' "suddenly" , Old High German 'gâhi' "quick".>
Roger, you've got me there. I always thought that "geeuw" in "geeuwhonger"
came from "geeuwen = gapen = E. Yawn".
Somehow that seemed more reasonable. ( het beeld van het nest vol jonge
vogels met hun snavels open! ) But thanks anyhow. Jacqueline

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From: Arend Victorie <victorie.a at HOME.NL>
Subject: etymologie

Wat betreft Jan rap en zijn maat.
gewoonlijk komt Jan Rap voor in den zin van gespuis, rapaille, weshalve ik
liever denk aan rap = schurft; vgl. Kil. rappe, scabies, rappich,
scabiosus; Plaiz. Kyv. 136: rappigh en slecht volkje; Antw. Idiot. 1015:
rap, puist; rap en rui(g), schurftig volk (zie rut zijn ). In het Mnl.
Wdb. VI, 1042 wordt verband gezocht met het ww. rapen, en rap verklaard
als samenraapsel, afval. Franck-v. Wijk, 535 meent dat Jan Rap deels onder
invloed van 't bnw. rap (vlug) deels van rapalje zal zijn opgekomen.

Arend Victorie

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From: jonny <jonny.meibohm at arcor.de>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2006.03.23 (01) [A/D/E/LS/German]

Hi, Roger,

Du schreevst:

> However, we do have in my dialect a
> compound
> noun /geihunger/ , Dutch 'geeuwhonger', which is supposed to be derived
> from
> '*gahonger'.

Door seggt wii in uns LS _hungerfreetsch_ (adj./adv.) tou.

Greutens

Johannes "Jonny" Meibohm

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From: jonny <jonny.meibohm at arcor.de>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2006.03.23 (01) [A/D/E/LS/German]

Leyve Reinhard,

Du schreyvst tou dennen DUDEN siin Theorie reg. 'Igel', 'Egel':

> Tja, wat schal ik daar tou seggen?  Kan an-gaan, man dat givt schynts
> annere
> dinkwysen.

Joo- und dey hebbt amend ne jümmers recht. Ick hebb jem all mennigmool 
*düchdig Bescheyd* geeven ;-), un' sey hebbt jümmers fründlich dankt, oon' 
tou kreiten.

Mol afftoyben, wat wi door in de neychste Opploog' van unsen Kroom al weller 
finnen köönt...

Jüst sou mit LINDOW: door schall (no Kaempfert) binnen stohn  LS: _Bolz_, 
un' dat schall heyten G: 'Kater', E: 'tomcat'.
Is Dii dat Woord jichenswo mol tomoyt komen?? Hier kennt dat heyl keyn 
Deubel.

Allerbest

Johannes "Jonny" Meibohm
(bekannt föör anner' Dink- un' Schriivwiis' ;-))

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Etymology

Moyen, Jonny!

> Jüst sou mit LINDOW: door schall (no Kaempfert) binnen stohn
> LS: _Bolz_, un' dat schall heyten G: 'Kater', E: 'tomcat'.
> Is Dii dat Woord jichenswo mol tomoyt komen?? Hier kennt dat heyl
> keyn Deubel.

Ja, dochen!  My is dat wul maal tou moyt kamen ... by Lindow.  ;-)

Kan wesen, dat wourd givt dat jichtenswaar in 'n dialekt.

> Joo- und dey hebbt amend ne jümmers recht. Ick hebb jem
> all mennigmool *düchdig Bescheyd* geeven ;-), un' sey hebbt
> jümmers fründlich dankt, oon' tou kreiten.

Ja, daar büst Du wul heyl goud bekand un up 'n besünnere kundenlist.  Dat is 
daar elk maal eyn hoegen wen 'n breyv vun Dy an-kümt.  ;-)

Hold Dy vuchtig!
Reinhard/Ron 

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