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From: Henno Brandsma <hennobrandsma at hetnet.nl>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2007.04.27 (02) [E]

Op 27-apr-2007, om 16:53 heeft Lowlands-L List het volgende geschreven:

From: R. F. Hahn < sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Etymology

Jonny, W. Frisian sizze has nothing to do with "seize."  It's the cognate of
Low Saxon seggen, Dutch zeggen, Afrikaans sê, Limburgish zèkge,
English sayand Scots
say.

When looking at Frisian data, and at W. Frisian data in particular, you need
to bear in mind that under certain conditions velars became palatalized and
under special conditions fricativized as well; e.g.,


Some minor corrections following:

LFries = Dutch = LSax  = Eng

gjien = geen = keyn = (no(ne))


Should be "gjin" (and this might even be a loan: older WF had "nin")

fregje = vragen = vragen = (to ask)


"freegje"

fiskje = vissen = vischen = to fish

krieje = kriegen = krygen = (to get)

"krije" (en past tense: krige)

sizze = zeggen = seggen = to say
lizze = leggen = leggen = to lay


From older "lidza" and "sidza". In general "ege" or "egje" like combinations
in Old West Germanic get palatised in West Frisian.
Also: past tense of "sizze" is "sei" (from *seide < *seggede), also "hy
seit" = he says.

tsiis = kaas = keys' = cheese


Many more examples; tsjettel (= ketel = ke(t)tel (?) = kettle), tsjef (= kaf
= ? = chaff), tsjerne (= karn = ? = churn).....
Also "tsj" < "tj" is common as in "tsjok" (dik = dik = thick( (with old
Frisian breaking of i > ju,and th --> t), tsjil (wiel = ? = wheel) < *thial
etc.

regards

Henno Brandsma

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From: Jonny Meibohm <altkehdinger at freenet.de>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2007.04.27 (02) [E]

Thanks, Reinhard, for:

> Jonny, W. Frisian sizze has nothing to do with "seize."  It's the cognate
of Low Saxon seggen,

*What a bummer!*

Allerbest!

Jonny Meibohm
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