LL-L "Etymology" 2007.12.11 (03) [E/LS]

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From: jonny <jonny.meibohm at arcor.de>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2007.12.11 (02) [E]

Beste Joachim,

Du schreyvst:

> > So- we may allowed to doubt if the word really is from Middle Low
> > Saxon origin, though it probably had been used there.

Of course, that's in doubt after your finding out. But which word in
what meaning? The entries you qoted from GRIMM and DUDEN both rely on
the "Pirschen/Jagen" meaning deduced from from Old French "berser".
But the meaning of "birsen" in Northern LS - as you reported - and of
"bissen" in Westphalian after Klöntrup hardly can be derived
therefrom, isn't it?

Dat is altohoup 'n wierten Mengsel, door weyt ick oppletzt sülbst ne meyhr
recht wat ick an dennen Anfang meynt hebb!
Ick gloyv ouk, ick haar woll meynt, wat dat 'pirschen' door ne mang hoyrt...

Allerbest!

Jonny Meibohm

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From: Elsie Zinsser <ezinsser at icon.co.za>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2007.12.08 (04) [E]

Hi all,

It might interest you, Ron, that here in SA we have a surname Mannekin which
I have not
encountered amongst white folk but mainly amongst coloured people (i.e. of
mixed blood)
which makes me believe that it is a name given to slaves by the Dutch East
India Co
masters.

Regards,
Elsie Zinsser
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From: Elsie Zinsser <ezinsser at icon.co.za>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2007.12.08 (05) [E]

Hi all,

Afrikaans similarities of *biester and verbiestern *are 'verbyster'
(emotionally confounded)
and 'byster' as in: Hy het die pad byster geraak. (he lost his
moral/emotional compass).
Oh, and (who referred to this?), A. bies (colostrum) has found its way into
Zulu in the form of
Ubisi (milk).

Cheers, all,

Elsie Zinsser
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From: Ingmar Roerdinkholder <ingmar.roerdinkholder at WORLDONLINE.NL>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2007.12.11 (02) [E]

Can I ask you a question, maybe I should know, but I don't understand why
you're using all those asterixes in *k**ündigen*  etc. What do they mean?
Why is it *Kunde* in German, but *K**ünn* in Low Saxon? Do you mean the
vowel is variable, that it can be e.g. Künn and Könn and Kenn and Kinn,
depending on the dialect? And you write 'knowledge' with '...' but the LS
and German examples with *...* , I guess this must be a system, is it
yours or a generally known one? Please tell me, I'm curious!

I**ngmar

Rein schreef:

"It boils down to the German nouns *Kunde*, Low Saxon
*K**ünn*, 'knowledge',
'notice', the adjectives *kund* (e.g. *kund tun/geben*), Low Saxon
*k**ünnig*, 'known', 'made aware', and the verb *k**ündigen*, Low Saxon
*k**ünnigen*, 'to make known'
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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Holidays

Ingmar, I didn't put those there. That's the sort of stuff one sees when one
looks at "raw," unformatted versions in the archive (i.e. doesn't click on
the toggle link at the bottom) and on top of it doesn't switch to Unicode
encoding.

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron
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