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From: Ronald Veenker <veenker at atmc.net>
Subject: LL-L 'Grammar' 2007.02.01 (01) [E/German]

Paul, Jonny, Ron, et al.,

There was a thread on Linguistlist called "I'm gonna get me a dog" and
The Ethical Dative.  This was a while ago.

http://listserv.linguistlist.org/cgi-bin/
wa?A2=ind0410&L=funknet&D=1&F=&S=&P=641

I remember 40 years ago while studying Hebrew (ancient) that the
professor found what he thought was an "ethical dative" as well.

Ronald Veenker
"Now and Zen"
623 Ocean Boulevard West
Holden Beach, NC 28462-1805

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From: "Mathias Rösel" <Mathias.Roesel at t-online.de>
Subject: LL-L 'Grammar' 2007.02.01 (01) [E/German]



From: Paul Tatum <ptatum at blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject: LL-L 'Grammar' 2007.01.31 (02) [E/German]
 A book called "Using German" I recently got out of the local library gave
examples of different regional grammar including "dieses Bier (zum beispiel)
ist mir.." rather than "dieses... ist mein/e.."  It said this was a Northern
habit.

Paul

  That may be Hassian, it's certainly not Northern German.
-- 
Mathias

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From: Jonny Meibohm <altkehdinger at freenet.de>
Subject: LL-L 'Grammar' 2007.02.01 (01) [E/German]

Beste Paul,

you wrote:

A book called "Using German" I recently got out of the local library gave
examples of different regional grammar including "dieses Bier (zum beispiel)
ist mir.." rather than "dieses... ist mein/e.."  It said this was a Northern
habit.

Yes- you and the book are quite right- it is said this way. But I don't
think it to be correct German.

quid mihi Celsus agit?
'what is Celsus doing (I am _especially interested_ in what it is)?'
[mihi is dative 'to me'].

Wow- that really seems to be very close to the special way we use the **mir**
in G.

Greutens/Regards

Johannes "Jonny" Meibohm
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From: Aleta Turner <aletamosquito at gmail.com>
Subject: LL-L 'Grammar' 2007.01.31 (03) [E]

A very similar pleading usage occurs in English,
particularly in expressions such as "don't (you) quit
on me now!" "Don't (you) die on me! (now)!"

Aleta
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