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From: Ronald Veenker <veenker at atmc.net>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2007.06.22 (02) [E/LS/German]

Beste Ron and Jonny,

I hope I haven't missed a previous discussion of this thread.  I wanted
to ask about family names with the ending -inga.  I have encountered so
very many of these names in my years of residence in Iowa, US.
Huizinga, Veninga, Popinga, etc.

Are these PREFIX-"people of"?

Regards,

Ron Veenker
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On Friday, June 22, 2007, at 12:46  PM, Lowlands-L List wrote:

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> From:"list at marcusbuck.org "<list at marcusbuck.org>
> Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2007.06.21 (01) [E/German]
>
> Like Marcel Bas said:
> > In place names we are often dealing with -ing: 'people'. Cf.
> > Groningen, Wagening(en), Texing, etc. Cf. tweeling - with added '
> > l': 'twins'; koning (= king), etc. But you examples of 'ding' could
> > very well refer to a thing as a gathering or a people's court.
>
> Stedingen cames from stathu like in 'Gestade', the same word is the
> root of 'Stade/Stood'. So Stedingen is 'the land of the people on the
> coast'. Butjadingen is the 'land of the people on the outer side of
> the Jade'. I don't know Kadingen (or is it Kehdingen?), but I guess,
> it is the same.
>
> I think, Dingwörden is a better example of a place name with the word
> 'ding'. It is the Wurt (English has no own word for it? Wikipedia
> calls it 'Artificial dwelling hill'), where the thing place were,
> where the regular thing meetings were held. In this meaning 'ding'
> does occur in place names, but I don't think, there are place names
> with 'ding' meaning 'judicial district'.
>
> Marcus Buck
>
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> From:jonny<jonny.meibohm at arcor.de>
> Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2007.06.21 (02) [E]
>
> Beste Luc and Marcel,
>
> Dank foyr Jouw'n Anters tou 'thing'! "Nicht verzagen, Nachbarn fragen
> ;-)!"
>
> Luc:
>
> > Don't wanna burst your bubble...but...you could be on
> > "ing(en)"-territory now.
>
> You don't burst a bubble, I think. Though you cut the relationship to
> 'thing' we still stay in the same basic meaning! Isn't a territory, in
> the farest sense,a kind ofadministration unit (as I suggested) as
> well?It even fits better into my construction- perhaps you're just on
> any older path, deeper in the ancient background of the > 'thing'-family.
>
> Have a look at Marcel's:
>
> > In place names we are often dealing with-ing: 'people'.
>
> Isn't it close to DUDEN: '...die Versammlung der freien Männer...'?
>
> Allerbest!
>
> Jonny Meibohm
>
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> From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Etymology
>
> Marcus, you wrote:
>
> > It is the Wurt (English has no own word for it? Wikipedia calls it
> 'Artificial dwelling hill')
>
> So far I haven't been able to find a connection, though I would expect
> there to be one.
>
> Even though apparently not related (or is it?), it reminds me
> ofworth'fenced land', 'enclosure', 'settlement', 'homestead' < Old
> Englishworþ, Old Saxonworð> Middle Saxon wurd, word.
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>
> What is very interesting about this one is that it appears to be
> limited to Saxon and to be a direct link not only between British and
> Continental Saxon place names but specifically between British place
> names and place names of the Elbe Estuary area (our Jonny's native
> stomping ground from which most Saxons departed for Britain, about
> which he will report in his upcoming Travel contribution).
> Furthermore, it's remarkable that in the said continental area in such
> place names this part still tends to be spelled -worth.
>
> English examples:
>
> Duckworth Hall
> Farnworth
> Holsworthy
> Shadsworth
> Tamworth
> Tottleworth
>
> Elbe Estuary examples:
>
> Dörringworth (Low Saxon Dellnwort)
> Ihlienworth (Low Saxon Helmworth)
> Lüdingworth (Low Saxon de Worth "The Worth")
> Pedingworth (Low Saxon Pemworth ~ Jerusalem)
>
> According to Wikipedia, the following are Saxon elements in English
> place names:
>
> Bourne, burn, delph – a stream
> Burg – a large village
> Coombe – a valley
> Croft, worthy – a small enclosure
> Don, den – hill
> Eg, ey, ea, eig – an island
> Ham – a village
> Hurst, ley, lea, riding – a clearing
> Ing – people
> Ling, lyng – hill
> Mere – a pool
> Moss – a swamp
> Stoc – a summer pasture
> Stoke – a secondary settlement
> Stow – a holy place
> Stowey, stanway – stone way, paved road (usually Roman)
> Ton, tun, wic, wike – a house, farm or group of huts
> Weald – high woodland
> Worth, worthy – fenced or enclosed area
>
> Regards,
> Reinhard/Ron
>
Ronald Veenker
"Now and Zen"
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Holden Beach, NC 28462-1805
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