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From: Diederik Masure <didimasure at hotmail.com>
Subject: LL-L "Language varieties" 2007.11.25 (05) [E]

Maybe the Belgian situation (not having a "one country - one ethnicity - one
language") makes that belgian people usually still retain a lot of their
accent when speaking with outsiders? Generally one does not use his/her
dialect with everyone, but still noone really does his best to talk
'standard language', not even with 'Northerners'. [Or otherwise we're just
not able to speak 'well' dutch. But still, the degree of adapting oneself to
the outsider seems to be a lot lower than in Germany]

Diederik

From: R. F. Hahn < sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Language varieties

Hi, Paul!

People don't use anything but Standard German with outsiders if they can
help it, or they will use the outsider's language if they know it.

To some degree this applies in England also (substitute "English" for
"German"), though there will always be "accents." However, unlike in
Britain, speaking non-standard language has not yet received the general nod
of approval. The results of indoctrination of the ideal of "one country -
one ethnicity - one language" have a long way to go on their way out,
especially with regard to languages that are obviously related to German.
This indoctrination has affected native speakers and their descendants as
much as those that grew up with German only. This is not going to go away
terribly quickly, especially in more conservative-dominated communities that
have a culture of rejecting change ( *any* change) because to them "change"
is synonymous with "outsiders' meddling." So if you ask people to speak to
you in their local language, many will find this very strange, because they
have come to believe that their language is private and improper, that you
as an outsider should not be involved in it. When a foreigner, especially an
"exotic-looking" one, speaks "dialect," many people will point this out as
an amusing anomaly.

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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