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From: Maria Elsie Zinsser <ezinsser at icon.co.za>
Subject: LL-L "Games" 2008.04.17 (04) [D/E]

Hi all,

Yes, Roger, I've sometimes heard about illegal cock fights in the southern
Johannesburg suburbs where I grew up. I've never been to any and my father
promised my brothers
"vyf van die beste" (a hiding) if he ever caught them going to one.

Nowadays we hear about the occasional theft of large dogs, notably
Boerboele, which are often used for illegal dogfights.

Regards,
Elsie

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From: Tom Mc Rae <t.mcrae at uq.net.au>
Subject: LL-L "Games" 2008.04.17 (04) [D/E]

I know wit happened in Britain at times and it still goes on here in
Australia despite heavypenalties if caught. Brought here by European
immigrants and enthusiastically accepted by our gambling community.

On 18/04/2008, at 7:46 AM, Lowlands-L List wrote:

Was this (forbidden) practice shared with other lowland countries?


Regards

Tom Mc Rae

Brisbane Australia

Oh Wad Some Power the Giftie Gie Us

Tae See Oorsel's as Ithers See Us

Robert Burns

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From: Paul Finlow-Bates <wolf_thunder51 at yahoo.co.uk>
Subject:

From: Roger Thijs, Euro-Support, Inc. <thijs.roger at euro-support.be>
Subject: LL-L Folklore

When I was a kid (in the fifties), there was a cock fight ("Hoanevèchtes" in
my Limburgish) organized every Sunday after the "High Mass" somewhere in the
village. .........Was this (forbidden) practice shared with other lowland
countries?

Regards,
Roger

Cock-fighting was very much an active passtime along the English/Scottish
border. In fact Scottish cock-a-leekie soup originally contained the
runner-up in a cock fight.  There is also a recipe for "cock-ale", a beer
brewed with a lump of chicken it that was likewise the fate of the loser in
a fight.

Paul Finlow-Bates

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Games

Here in the US, neither cock fights nor dog fights (usually with pit bull
terriers) are uncommon. They tend to be pursued among or associated with
certain ethnic groups. As far as I know, these practices are illegal
everywhere in the country.

I have seen cock fights in countries in which they are legal or are rarely
prosecuted. Believe me! It's really cruel, in part because lethal blades and
spikes are fastened the the birds' ankles.

On a gentler note, one of the favorite sports of working class men in
Northern Germany used to be pigeon racing. My father was involved in it for
some time. I still remember some of the procedures involved and the (mostly
Low-Saxon-speaking) culture surrounding it.

I understand that pigeon racing is or used to be very common in Belgium and
Britain as well. What about the Netherlands and other countries?

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron
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