LL-L "Idiomatica" 2008.02.15 (02) [E]

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From: foga0301 at stcloudstate.edu
Subject: LL-L "Idiomatica" Where's that?

Heather and all,

    I have two seconds to write down this thought before going to work, but
here's an interesting book chapter title about a place far, far away: *BOOK]
* How Far is America from Here?: Selected Proceedings of the First World
Congress of the International
…<http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=Ts35bX0aq3oC&oi=fnd&pg=PA11&dq=Baroque+%22LP+Zamora+%22&ots=8nDlUc-uWt&sig=AeVkmJNabRJtxbgN--s-P2RPyis>
Dhaen, Giles, Kadir, & Zamora - 2005 - books.google.com.  It speaks about
the new developments in the academic field called "American Studies" which
have repositioned American culture on a new (more honest) map.  Ask yourself
who actually wrote the Klingon language and where Deadwood is…[thanks Ron V]

    Actually, though, where I'm from is 'further away' in geographic terms
than Deadwood by about 50 miles.  I sometimes describe my Wyoming home as an
island in a sea of peopled places.  But it's also a great borderland between
Spanish and English domains, so it generates a lot of global-class meaning.
Borders are good places for talking honestly. If far, far away implies
isolation from the global process of making meaning, then maybe the best
place to look is at the center where meaningful distinctions are no longer
possible… or are thought out in abstract terms that distance local speakers
from reality.

Got to go,
Gael Fonken

Heather wrote:

> Just as one used to use Timbuctoo as an expression of a place 'far far
> away', I have been using OM as a language 'far far away'
>
> What is acceptable as a replacement without offending anyone?

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From: foga0301 at stcloudstate.edu
Subject: LL-L "Idiomatica" Where's that? part 2

An additional comment (or two) to follow my email to Heather above about
ways to name the location of a faraway place:

First is this saying that Mexicanos pass around to each other that explains
their unique position in the world.  "Poor Mexico, so far from God and to
close to the United States".

A second example is from my Saudi Arabian students who spoke of the
Caribbean in a similar manner when explaining the Bermuda Triangle where
ships are supposed to have disappeared due to mysterious (possibly evil)
forces emerging there.  For them the mystery had all to do with the place
being just off the coast of Texas where President Bush is from.

Gael Fonken
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From: heatherrendall at tiscali.co.uk <heatherrendall at tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: LL-L "Idiomatica" 2008.02.14 (03) [E]

From: heatherrendall at tiscali.co.uk

 Ronald Veenker wrote

"Try Deadwood, S.D."

Now that does have a certain ring to it!

But are you sure I won't offend the natives of Deadwood? Are there any? And
is it related to the Deadwood stage of song fame?

Sandy: re "They can hear ye in Kirkcaldy." I 'm going to use the whole
phrase as suggested, I like it so much. I shall try it out on my son-in-law
at the weekend!

Out of interest what would other languages use for the same concepts?

What represents ' a far away' place in German, Platt, Dutch, Afrikaans etc
etc or do they use Timbuctoo too?

On the same kind of tack, in Sussex where I grew up, mothers would use the
figure of 'Boney' to frighten children into obedience. "If you don't go to
seleep,/ eat up your greens/ behave yourself,  Boney will get you." ...a
reference still lingering 150 years after Napoleon Bonaparte's death.

Who are the other bogeymen around the world?

Heather

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From: Jacqueline Bungenberg de Jong <Dutchmatters at comcast.net>
Subject: LL-L "Idiomatica" 2008.02.14 (03) [E]

I would suggest Podunk as an alternative. I hear they have a great
University there. Jacqueline
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From: Wesley Parish <wes.parish at paradise.net.nz>
Subject: LL-L "Idiomatica" 2008.02.14 (03) [E]

On Friday 15 February 2008 11:08, Lowlands-L List wrote:
<snip>
> From: Sandy Fleming <sandy at scotstext.org>
> Subject: LL-L "Idiomatica" 2008.02.14 (01) [E]
>
> > From: heatherrendall at tiscali.co.uk <heatherrendall at tiscali.co.uk>
> > Subject: LL-L "Resources" 2008.02.13 (04) [E]
> >
> > Just as one used to use Timbuctoo as an expression of a place 'far far
> > away', I have been using OM as a language 'far far away'
> >
> > What is acceptable as a replacement without offending anyone?
>
> In on the northern coast of East Lothian we generally say "Kirkcaldy"
> for a place incredibly far away. Like when someone's having a loud
> tantrum, we might say, "They can hear ye in Kirkcaldy."  :)

In the outer Barcoo, where the churches are few
And men of religion are scanty ...

Past/beyond the Black Stump. ;)

Out in the wop-wops ... ;)

Wesley Parish
<snip> •

--
Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish
-----
Gaul is quartered into three halves.  Things which are
impossible are equal to each other.  Guerrilla
warfare means up to their monkey tricks.
Extracts from "Schoolboy Howlers" - the collective wisdom
of the foolish.
-----
Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui?
You ask, what is the most important thing?
Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata.
I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people.

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From: Mark Dreyer <mrdreyer at lantic.net>
Subject: LL-L "Idiomatica" 2008.02.14 (03) [E]
 Hi All!

Subject: Lowlands - L. Idiomatica

> Just as one used to use Timbuctoo as an expression of a place 'far far
> away', I have been using OM as a language 'far far away'
>
> What is acceptable as a replacement without offending anyone?

What about that heartily Australian expression for someplace *way* out in
the sticks; '...out beyond Black Stump'?

Yrs,
Mark
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