LL-L "Etymology" 2009.03.13 (04) [D/E]

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From: Jacqueline Bungenberg de Jong <Dutchmatters at comcast.net>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2009.03.13 (02) [E]

Hi Roger and Diederik. What interests me in Roger’s explanation of the
different pronunciations of “uksel” is the word itself.

In het Nederlands is het woord oksel, de armholte. Jeuk komt vaak voor in
oksels en in de lies, de hoek tussen been en lichaam.

Nog weer een bewijs dat je uitgaande van een paar woorden in pakweg 10.000
jaar een hele taal kunt ontwikkelen.

 Met vriendelijke groeten. Jacqueline

Seattle US


From: Roger Hondshoven <rhondshoven at yahoo.com>
Subject: LL-L "Phonology" 2009.03.01 (02) [E]

Hi Diederik,

I'm glad to be able to supply you with some information on the words used in
Eastern Brabantish (Getelands) for "itch". In all of the Getelands dialects
they say *uksel, *verb *ukselen. *These forms can be traced back to Middle
Dutch *jucken (next to *jocken, jeuken), (Old High German *jucchen*,
Anglo-Saxon *gycce, gycc(e)an. *The *j* was omitted. As you can see the
initial consonant was equally dropped in English. Note that in all of the
Getelands region (with the exception of Tiens and Hoegaardens, as far as I
know) the *h  *is retained. Futher West in Brabant, the *h* is generally
dropped. I think we should see the development for *uksel  *as follows. The
vowel u (sounding like in *mus, rups*) is clearly the product of umlaut.

Best regards,



Roger Hondshoven
Diest (East-Brabant) Belgium

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