LL-L "Evolution" 2010.08.17 (04) [EN]

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From: Henry Pijffers <henry.pijffers at gmail.com>

Subject: LL-L "Evolution" 2010.08.17 (03) [EN]



Sandy wrote:
>
> What I'm saying is that sophisticated language may have developed even
> before speech.
>

I think you're right about that. Several apes have shown that even
though they cannot speak, they do understand human language to a
certain degree (a chimp named Kanzi understands about 3000 English
words). Some have shown they understand sentences, composed of words
they know, but in a combination they never heared before, such as "put
A in B", meaning they have a certain understanding of grammar. They
can also be taught sign language (works best if done at a young age,
just as with humans of course), which they can use to communicate back
to humans. Some have been taught to use lexigrams (pictures
representing concepts) to communicate. And as someone else already
mentioned, apes like chimpansees also hunt together in groups, in
which they have clear roles. You can't do that without communication.
To those who are going to say that they just look at eachother's
faces: no. Experiments have been done with apes that couldn't see each
other. They were however able to communicate certain matters to the
other ape, using sound.

So yeah, there was language before speech.

good gaon,
Henry



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From: Elsa Primo <elsa_primo at yahoo.com>

Subject: LL-L "Evolution" 2010.08.17 (03) [EN]



I  just re-read a MASTERS THESIS stored in the NORMAN OKLAHOMA archive;
David Brownleigh Terrebonne "Learning and Epoch Time"



  Basically, he is saying that all people are always 'discovered' IN-SITU
with a developed ETHNIC or LINGUISTIC setting irregardless of race,
religion, or CULTURAL boundaries.

So, an 'ethnic' is a small group setting where LANGUAGE is USED and SHARED.
When they 'meet' "OTHERS" the LANGUAGE undergoes a "CONVERSION PROCESS". The
OLDEST LANGUAGE is considered to be the 'IN-SITU' while the "EXPLORER" lingo
is the "NEWEST" so to speak, because the "CHANGE" always oocurs to the
'VANQUISHED" or "DISCOVERED" group. Then, after about TWO GENERATIONS of
INTERACTION...the "TIDE TURNS" so to speak, and all INNOVATION betwixt these
two "ETHNIC SECTORS" is expressed...SOLELY by means of the VEHICLE of
LANGUAGE so those who complain of 'unfair treatment' at this time are those
who refuse to accomodate the "NEW LANGUAGE.:" In other words in MEXICO for
instance the speakers of best standard Spanish have higher privilages
compared to those talking in Native AmerIndian Dialects. This was seen and
recorded first in Ireland, but in Ancient time in DACIA and other places
where SLAVIC LANGUAGES were perhaps first developed.



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