LL-L "Vexillology" 2010.07.17 (03) [EN]

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From: Hellinckx Luc <luc.hellinckx at gmail.com>

Subject: LL-L "Vexillology"

Beste Paul,

You wrote:

> Symbols don't have to be heraldic to be striking, and flags don't have to
be restricted to stripes. The very impressive flags of Canada and Japan are
two very good examples.

Same goes for Kazakhstan's: http://tinyurl.com/2ajd4zx At least a flag you
can remember.

Within the "tricolores", some of them have colors that don't really match in
my opinion. The colors of France do...those of Italy as well...for my taste,
the ones of Romania and Colombia don't...whatever "taste" is.

> Are the Lowlands planning on revolting, and if so, against whom exactly?
I'll most likely cheer from the sidelines - but if I'm going to take sides,
I like to know who we're playing.

Like Ron said, let's challenge the Highlands...no more Highland games, just
one big competition: Lowlands vs. Highlands

UK both has Low and Highlands, so does the Benelux, Germany, Poland and
Scandinavia. First we have two huge international teams, each of them
consisting of players of either the Lowlands or the Highlands. First round
we try to select which team is stronger, Low or High. Second round, we make
a further selection, the winning team of the first round is split up between
the five countries, in order to decide which country finally wins. Let's
just call it "The Games" and sell the idea for big bucks to the media ;=)

Kind greetings,

Luc Hellinckx, Halle, Belgium

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From:  Danette Howland <dan_how at msn.com>

Subject: LL-L "History" 2010.07.09 (05) [EN-NDS]

Dear Lowlanders:

Ron wrote:

"Yet ... the cross ... "

And I breathed a sigh of releif when I read this because I was having
trouble restraining myself. Such a reply from myself, a foreigner, would
have meant little.

I have a special fondness for Lower Saxony as the birthplace of many of my
ancestors and my view is both romantic and historical but not really
contemporary. I have no real sense of the meaning such a flag would have
to those proposing it. The continuity of such a familiar symbol chosen
to show friendship with other northern countries must have its own special
appeal. However, I must agree that it seems to me to be a symbol imposed
upon a once proud and free nation by a conquering culture.

The heritage of Saxon independence, the traditional "religion" of home and
hearth and the continuity of a uniquely lowlandish way of life has outlasted
the rule of kings and bishops. So maybe my response is silly, but it is
heartfelt.

Thank you, Reinhard.

 John Howland

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From:  M.-L. Lessing <marless at gmx.de>

Subject: LL-L "Vexillology" 2010.07.17 (01) [EN]

From: Michael Everson <everson at evertype.com>
Subject: LL-L "Vexillology" 2010.07.16 (04) [EN]

In any case, my opinion of the horizontal stripes you have is that it's not
very inspiring.

On the contrary, it inspires all the sounds of the wind and smells of the
not-so-far sea... A Lowlands portrait in three stripes. Keep it.

Marlou

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From:  Sandy Fleming <sandy at fleimin.demon.co.uk>

Subject: LL-L "Vexillology" 2010.07.17 (01) [EN]

> From: Michael Everson <everson at evertype.com>
>
> Subject: LL-L "Vexillology" 2010.07.16 (04) [EN]
>

> In any case, my opinion of the horizontal stripes you have is that
> it's not very inspiring.

I do find it inspiring, but perhaps because I've grown up with exactly
the sort of "Lowlands" topography that Ron's suggested flag represents?

The yellow band is particularly inspiring, I think, because you may
think of the rising sun on the horizon, or you may particularly think of
the change that comes before every harvest when the fields are full of
ripened wheat, oats and barley.

I was wondering about a flag representing the Scots language for the
purposes at least of the LL list (see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constructed_language for the conlang
mailing list flag, for example). Here's Ron's "Lowlands" flag:

http://sandyfleming.org/signers/ll-flag01.png

and here's my suggestion for a Scots variant:

http://sandyfleming.org/signers/ll-flag-sco.png

This is supposed to represent the way the Lowland Scottish landscape
tends to be flat, but with the occasional "law" (an isolated hill - or
as people outside Scotland say, "mountain" - in an essentially flat
landscape) here and there.

So this has Eildon Law to the right, which is trifurcate, and some
generic law elsewhere representing the topography of much of lowland
Scotland. Having the easily-recogisable Eildon Law gives a clue to the
graphic intent of the simple green peak.

I'm just mucking about, I don't actually mean to create more things to
start a war about  :)

On the other hand, we've got a website, it might be useful or at least
colourful to have flags as graphic representations of the languages
there.

Any other ideas?

> From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Vexillology
>
> Paul,
>
> Are the Lowlands planning on revolting, and if so, against whom
> exactly? I'll most likely cheer from the sidelines - but if I'm going
> to take sides, I like to know who we're playing.
>
> Hmm... That’s an idea.
>
> The most obvious candidate would be, of course ... the Highlands.
> They’ve have it coming, I'd say.

Between Scotland and Germany they've got us in a pincer attack, so
that's out  :)

Sandy Fleming
http://scotstext.org/

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From:  Sandy Fleming <sandy at fleimin.demon.co.uk>

Subject: LL-L "Vexillology" 2010.07.17 (01) [EN]

I wrote:

> I was wondering about a flag representing the Scots language for the
> purposes at least of the LL list (see
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constructed_language for the conlang
> mailing list flag, for example). Here's Ron's "Lowlands" flag:
>
> http://sandyfleming.org/signers/ll-flag01.png
>
> and here's my suggestion for a Scots variant:
>
> http://sandyfleming.org/signers/ll-flag-sco.png

oh, and...

http://sandyfleming.org/signers/ll-flag-sax.png   :)

The image of the horse is from http://www.clker.com/ so should be OK to
use.

OK, what other boring subjects are going to turn out to be fun?

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