LL-L "Etymology" 2010.09.25 (01) [EN]

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From: Hellinckx Luc <luc.hellinckx at gmail.com>

Subject: LL-L "Language politics"



Beste Marcus,



On 25/09/10, at 01:06, Lowlands-L List wrote:



From: Marcus Buck <list at marcusbuck.org>

Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2010.09.24 (01) [EN]



From: Hellinckx Luc <luc.hellinckx at gmail.com>

Subject: LL-L "Language learning"

You wrote:

Sarrazin wrote a book about how the Germans will go extinct if they don't do
anything about it ("Deutschland schafft sich ab"). He had nice populistic
theses like "I do not want to excuse myself for being German", "German must
be spoken on German schoolyards", "too much young resident aliens are
criminal", "lock away child molesters forever" etc., and in interviews he
offered nice wisdoms with enormous scientific depth like "all Jews share a
gene"


Sarrazin's family name doesn't make himself sound über-German: < Saracens.
Always happens with the "last who got in"...they seem to have these "Après
moi, le déluge" feelings more than any other.


Boundary value problem for human geographers.


Sarrazin has Huguenot roots. That means his family is in Germany for more
than 300 years. And if you would confront him with his foreign roots he'd
take it as acknowledgement of his arguments ;-)



Not valid.



a) Huguenots often occupied important positions in French society before
their exodus.

b) They fled to places that were either also Reformed or where religion was
not an issue.



Under these conditions of course, Huguenots were pretty welcome back in
those days (in Germany/Prussia).



I don't know precisely what Mr. Sarrazin's opinion is about present-day
migrants (or minority people) in Germany, but I'm quite sure you cannot
compare the situation because,



a) said population is often not rich and powerful

b) they frequently have a non-Christian religious background

 He's not an outright racist.



Of course not, times have changed. Even obstinate guys have learned a thing
or two from the past. The message has been revamped.

 He's more focused on culture like "assimilate or stay away from Germany".
(Although he sometimes resorts to arguments that are hard to interpret in a
non-racist way.) So he'd take his own French (and possible Saracen) roots as
a positive story of assimilation (the euphemism "integration" is used when
"assimilation" is meant in Germany's public discussion).



See above. Plus, using personal arguments as overall justification for
national measures is hardly professional.



Besides, regarding "assimilation", official language in Dutch Reformed
"Waalse Kerken" is still French.



Kind greetings,



Luc Hellinckx, Halle, Belgium



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