LL-L "Sign language" 2011.04.29 (01) [DE-EN-NDS]

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From: Mike Morgan <mwmbombay at gmail.com>

Subject: LL-L "Sign language" 2011.04.28 (05) [EN-NL]

Ron/Reinhard writes:

> A deaf fellow passenger on a bus I regularly ride talks to himself in
> American Sign Language. I was surprised at first, but then it made sense. If
> you do talk to yourself (which these days is not always obvious, what with
> all the new "invisible" phone gadgets) you might as well do it in sign
> language if you know it.
>

It has been pointed out to me (by my wife who LOVES to point out my quirks)
that I often talk to myself in sign language...

I also use sign language as a mneumonic... I find it much easier to remember
things "manually" (esp things like phone numbers)

Also according to my wife, I talk in my sleep in Russian, Nepali and (an
indeterminate) Sign language (her signing is confused, as she has been
exposed simultaneously to Japanese and American Sign languages without
having learned enough to tell which is which)

... and I often swear at myself (and others?) in Russian...

mwm || U C > || mike || мика  || माईक || マイク || மாய்க் (aka Dr Michael W
Morgan)

Senior Consultant
BA in Applied Sign Language Studies (BAASLS)
Indira Gandhi National Open Univeristy
New Delhi, India

"Too often we honor swagger and bluster and wielders of force; too often we
excuse those who are willing to build their own lives on the shattered
dreams of others. ... [T]here is another kind of violence, slower but just
as deadly destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the
violence of institutions; indifference and inaction and slow decay." (Bobby
Kennedy, 5 April 1968)

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From: Sandy Fleming <fleemin at live.co.uk>

Subject: LL-L "Sign language" 2011.04.28 (05) [EN-NL]

> From: Hellinckx Luc <luc.hellinckx at gmail.com>

> Subject: LL-L "Sign language"
> Regarding another difference between England and Belgium: there's the
English trademark, called "democracy" on the one hand and a certain marriage
that has been getting a lot of attention lately on the other...not in the
least because the girl in case is not a "noblewoman". Maybe it's just me,
but...does that rhyme?

> Off the record: maybe does...in an effort to "prove" that "anybody" can
access the Queen's mansion.

Of course! I don't know if you get this sort of news in Belgium, but a chap
broke into Madge's bedroom in Buckingham Palace some years ago. She chatted
with him while waiting for "security" to wise up. Next day, the nation was
asking "Where was Philip?"

It's been a long time since royalty here had any actual power. When a bill
goes through from Parliament the Queen has to approve it, but she's not
allowed to refuse. This was true of Queen Victoria and I imagine earlier
monarchs as well.

As for noblewoman, it's all historical fantasy. The reality is democracy
(unless the Prime Minister has other ideas, which they all do).

Sandy Fleming
http://scotstext.org/

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From: Sandy Fleming <fleemin at live.co.uk>

Subject: LL-L "Sign language" 2011.04.28 (05) [EN-NL]

> From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
> Subject:Sign language

> A deaf fellow passenger on a bus I regularly ride talks to himself in
American Sign Language. I was surprised at first, but then it made sense. If
you do talk to yourself (which these days is not always obvious, what with
all the new "invisible" phone gadgets) you might as well do it in sign
language if you know it.

This comes to about the same thing in sign language as in oral language. If
you're proficient in both, they "feel" about the same in many ways.

Sandy Fleming
http://scotstext.org/

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From: Hannelore Hinz <hannehinz at de>
Subject: LL-L "Sign language" 2011.04.28 (05) [EN-NL]

Leiw' Lowlanners,

dit 'Thema' lött ok mi nich kollt.

Wossidlo/Teuchert: *dof *taub, nicht hörend.

Will hapen, ick möt nienich dit Wuurd snacken. Dat Schicksal von all' diss
Minschen grippt ok mi an.

Man gaud, dat gifft  ein Verkloren  un as Hauptsaak  verschiedenorrig Hülp:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkkaoSMjujQ

http://www.derwesten.de/wp/region/Gebaerdentelefon-fuer-Gehoerlose-ids900422.html

 * füer /fuer

un den'n groten Meister:

http://wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_van_Beethoven

s. unter Gehörleiden

Un nu kiek ick mi in de Flimmerkist an (Hochtied) *Küss mich Kate!*

Best' Gräuten.

Hanne

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From: Hannelore Hinz <hannehinz at de>
 Subject: LL-L "Sign language" 2011.04.28 (05) [EN-NL]

Hier bereits mit Korrektur der Web Gebärdentelefon (-id2900422.html,  dat
lütte  *s *möt rut) Hier klappt dat nu.

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From: Mike Morgan <mwmbombay at gmail.com>

Subject: LL-L "Sign language" 2011.04.28 (04) [EN-NL]

In response to the statement that

> De Vlaamse gebarentaal (VGT) is de moedertaal van ongeveer zesduizend
> Vlamingen en wordt daarnaast ook gebruikt door 26.000 à 30.000 horende
> mensen.
>
Sandy asks:

> How can it be that five times as many hearing people use VGT as there are
> native signers? What are they all using it for
>

Well, maybe they have VERY good interpreter support for the deaf: 6
interpreters for every Deaf signer!

Or, to be serious, the numbers in the article when they talk about "horende
gebruikers" they MAY include every hearing person who has EVER taking a
beginning sign language course!

Numbers thrown around about sign languages rarely mean all that much...
unless it is explained exactly what they mean by "signers" and how they
arrived at the figures...

mwm || U C > || mike || мика  || माईक || マイク || மாய்க் (aka Dr Michael W
Morgan)

Senior Consultant
BA in Applied Sign Language Studies (BAASLS)
Indira Gandhi National Open Univeristy
New Delhi, India

"Too often we honor swagger and bluster and wielders of force; too often we
excuse those who are willing to build their own lives on the shattered
dreams of others. ... [T]here is another kind of violence, slower but just
as deadly destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the
violence of institutions; indifference and inaction and slow decay." (Bobby
Kennedy, 5 April 1968)
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From: mike.keach at gmail.com

Subject: LL-L re: sign language

Two of the "requirements" set by my parents before the graduation exercises
for the children were:
1)  At least 1 foreign language, and
2)  Sign language.

Their reasoning was that your heimsprache is not as precious as you may
think, and you MUST be able to communicate with at least ONE  group of
people that are no different then you other than that they can't speak
English or can't hear.

I can tell all of you that their demands have paid off over the years.  I'm
"good" in several languages (the most being in the Germanic vein) but am
also able to irritate natives in Greece, Italy, France, Russia and the
Spanish hinterlands, my Panamanian upsetting Castillians and Argentinians,
alike: a badge I wear with honor. LOL.

 Anyway, ASL is the Lingua Franca here in the US but, I haven't any idea
what's happening across "The Pond" in terms of sign-language.

Alles Beste von Tampadorf,
~Mike
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