LL-L "Idiomatica" 2011.08.21 (04) [EN]

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From: "Steven Hanson" <ammurit at gmail.com>
Subject: LL-L "Idiomatica" 2009.08.20 (02) [EN]

At this point, I must bow out.  All this lovey dovey talk is becoming a bit
too philosophical for my tastes.  ;-)

From: Jacqueline Bungenberg de Jong Dutchmatters at comcast.net
Subject: LL-L "Idiomatica" 2009.08.20 (01) [EN]

Hello Marlou, Ron, Steven, Igmar and Henry



Talking  about the different ways people use to say they ‘love’ each other
brings me back to the old question: Do we make our language or does our
language make us.

‘Love’ can be described as anything from the exalted to the profane. It even
can be distorted hate (just think how women (maybe men too) who have been
tormented by their torturers can say “But I still love him”) ‘To love’ can
have many meanings (agape, eros, familiality etc. etc). If the Dutch say “
ik houd van jou”, maybe they see their loved ones more like a cherished
object. After all one of the character traits we are being accused of is
that we as a nation are materialistic!  Don’t forget that we do not have the
differentiation between ‘like’ and ‘love’. We say “ik houd van mijn
kinderen” with the same ease as we say “ik houd van een boterham met kaas”.
If you *like* a person, you say “ik vind hem/haar wel aardig”.

There is also the question of Are we ‘allowed’ to express certain feelings?
I think Marlou hit the nail on the head with her remarks about
understatement. To ‘esteem’ a person is something entirely different from
“having a crush on somebody”. ‘Verliefd zijn op iemand’ has little to do
with ‘esteem’ but much more with hormones etc.etc. Still they are all
aspects of love and depending on the culture in which we live different
aspects are allowed. The parents who have their daughters circumsized are
convinced they do this out of love, but here their culture is clearly more
important than their daughter.



What do you guys think?



Jacqueline BdJ
Seattle Wa, USA

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