LL-L "Phonology" 2012.01.09 (03) [EN]

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From: Hellinckx Luc luc.hellinckx at gmail.com
Subject: LL-L "Phonology"

Beste Hanne en annere Leeglanners,

Thanks for clarifying the "grass"-situation in Low Saxon, with regards to
metathesis.

The following link explains the metathesis-situation in Dutch and German
pretty well:

Ausgewählte Schriften zur niederländischen und deutschen Sprach- und ... -
Jan Goossens - Google
Boeken<http://books.google.be/books?id=Pu5nS6IfcVsC&pg=PA190&lpg=PA190&dq=metathese+gras+gers&source=bl&ots=149JDCZjWz&sig=1w3YZ34Io8nWl3Qj4qxlSIAYjbw&hl=nl&sa=X&ei=2nYLT-bNIIOD-waGx7yjBw&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=metathese%20gras%20gers&f=false>

Apparently there has historically been a South-Western metathesis center,
radiating the promotion of this feature. Consequently numerous isoglosses
hit the language divide between Germanic and Romance. From West to East
(say from Dunkirk to Switzerland), one comes across the following pairs:


   - stroot - strosse (Kehle)
   - terden - treten
   - sport - sprosse
   - gers - gras
   - bord - brett
   - vors - frosch
   - borst - brust
   - kerstmis - christmess
   - bernen - brennen
   - dertien - dreizehn
   - dertig - dreissig
   - derde - dritte
   - dorsen - dreschen
   - vers - frisch
   - borst - brust (again)
   - gort - grütze
   - pers(en) - presse(n)
   - kers - kresse
   - korst - kruste
   - born - brunn
   - barsten - bresten


At first glance, it seems that Frisian (eg. "gers") rather joins the
South-West than Lower Saxony where methathesis doesn't seem to be very
productive. English is more of a mixed bag, having "board", "burn",
"third", "thirteen" and "thirty" on the one hand, but "christmas",
"breast", "thresh", "fresh" and "press" on the other. In Old English both
"græs" and "gærs" were acceptable, just like Middle Dutch seemed to be
hesitating between "gras", "gars" and "gers".

Kind greetings,

Luc Hellinckx, Halle, Belgium

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Phonology

Hi, Luc!

The following cases amongst the above can definitely be found in Low Saxon
of Germany:

   - *bord* - *brett *(*Boord ~ Bredd*) 'board', 'plank'
   - *borst *- brust (*Borst ~ Bost*) 'breast'
   - *dertien *- dreizehn (*derteihn ~ dörteihn ~ dartein ~ dorteihn
*~*dotteihn ~ dötteihn
   *) 'thirteen'
   - *dertig *- *dreissig *(*dörtig ~ dortig **~ dottig** ~ dartig ~ drottig
   *) 'thirty'
   - derde - *dritte *(*dridde *~ *drüdde*)
   - *dorsen *- dreschen (*dörsen ~ d**össen*) 'to tresh'
   - *gort *- *grütze *(*Grütt ~ Gr**ött ~ G**ört ~ Gort*) 'grits', 'gruel'
   - kers - *kresse *(*Kress ~ Kassen*) 'cress'
   - *korst *- kruste (*Körst ~ K**öss*) 'crust'
   - *born *- brunn (*Born*) 'spring', 'source' (cf. "bourne", Scots *burn*)
   - *barsten *- bresten (*barsten ~ basten ~ bassen*) 'to burst'

As for Dutch dialects, does *kerst...* for "Christ ..." only occur in
compounds or also by itself?

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron
Seattle, USA
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