LL-L "Literature" 2012.10.06 (01) [EN]

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From: Mike Morgan mwmbombay at gmail.com
Subject: LL-L "Literature" 2012.10.05 (01) [EN]

In connection with the discussion about haiku, I found this while
poking around in the Scots corpus:

http://www.scottishcorpus.ac.uk/corpus/search/document.php?documentid=922&highlight=ither

50 Haikus by Japanese Masters
by David Purves

a sample:

A guidlyke warld
the kristal dew-draps faws
in yins an twas.

translation of a haiku by Issa  (1763-1827)

mwm || *U*C> || mike || माईक || мика || マイク (aka Dr Michael W Morgan)
sign language linguist / linguistic typologist
academic adviser, Nepal Sign Language Training and Research
NDFN, Kathmandu, Nepal

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From: Sandy Fleming sandy at scotstext.org
Subject: LL-L "Literature" 2012.10.04 (04) [EN]

From: Hellinckx Luc luc.hellinckx at gmail.com
>
> Subject: LL-L "Literature"
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>
> Beste Ron,
>
> You wrote:
>
>  In real haiku, it is at least as important to allude to the season and to
> make the whole thing into a "snapshot," a momentary burst of awareness of
> impermanence. Many Westerners consciously try to build in allusions of the
> philosophical or moral kinds, also refer to their emotions directly, none
> of which has a place in haiku.
>
>
> That is, because, as everybody knows, every Westerner is the center of the
> whole universe...by definition. The universe complies with "our" standards.
> ;=)))
>

I don't know who this "our" is. The universe complies with "my" standards :)

Isn't the "western haiku" problem actually the opposite? When a westerner
tries to make a poem a haiku, it seems to me that they're trying to be as
Japanese as they can. The rest is just mistakes. That's another way of
looking at it, anyway.

It might also be a problem of labelling, however. The important thing about
a poem is the effect it has on the reader. Who's the purist, a reader who
dismisses a poem because his cultural knowledge tells him it's trying to be
a haiku and failing, or a reader who in his ignorance (or rather through a
lifetime of having studied other things) appreciates the off-haiku more
than the approved haiku?

Sandy Fleming
http://scotstext.org/

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