[RNLD] ERA reporting of archive deposits as NTROs (in Australia)

[Mark W. Post]

Thanks a lot Simon - I had heard about this talk, but hadn't yet seen 
the slides. Really covers the ground well!

I'm not sure whether I should continue this on-list or not, but it seems 
to me that the ERA 2015 guidelines already have a certain amount of this 
apparatus in place. That is, for better or for worse, it seems that 
they're prepared to allow institutions, or schools within institutions, 
to convene "expert review boards" to assess NTROs and supporting 
statements in relation to the ARC definitions of "research". I'm not 
sure how this is going to work in practice, but the assumption that 
we're operating under is that it will be possible to demonstrate that 
meeting the depositing requirements put in place by ELAR, PARADISEC, 
etc., is equivalent to an event of "acceptance for publication". It 
remains to convince the "expert review board", whoever they turn out to 
be, that, one, this constitutes research output in terms of the ARC 
definitions (probably not very difficult), and two, and potentially much 
more difficult, that a deposit of scale/richness x is equivalent to 
traditional publication type y. This is the sort of thing I was hoping 
someone might already have undertaken, so that we might learn from their 
experiences.

I'd welcome any further suggestions, whether on-list or off; I certainly 
agree with Simon that this is an important issue, particularly 
(potentially) for postgrads' employment prospects!

Cheers
Mark

On 6/08/2014 11:22 AM, Simon Musgrave wrote:
> Hi Mark, Linda & RNLDers,
>
> This topic has already been approached by the Australian Linguistics 
> Society and a conversation started with the ARC (it hasn't moved much 
> in the last little while, but that is not the ARC's fault!).
>
> A group of us presented at ALS2012 on the topic (slides attached 
> below), and there is further information in this blogpost 
> <http://www.paradisec.org.au/blog/2012/11/counting-collections/> by 
> Nick Thieberger.
>
> Those of us involved see this as a very important issue; unfortunately 
> pressure of other work has halted the momentum we had managed, but we 
> do intend to pursue the matter.
>
> Best, Simon
>
>
> On 6 August 2014 10:03, Mark W. Post <markwpost at gmail.com 
> <mailto:markwpost at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Hi Linda,
>
>     We were planning to go with the category "Curated or Produced
>     Substantial Public Exhibitions and Events" under the subcategory
>     "Web based exhibition". There is also an "Other" subcategory (p. 7
>     of the ERA 2015 Fact Sheet 02). Our local ERA person thinks this
>     should work for an ELAR deposit, for example, but it is a bit of
>     an experiment...
>
>     Cheers
>     Mark
>
>
>     On 5/08/2014 4:43 PM, Linda Barwick wrote:
>
>         Hi Mark
>         I don't believe that archival deposits fit comfortably within
>         any of the current ERA NTRO categories. Did you have one in mind?
>
>         Perhaps we could lobby the ARC to include archival deposits as
>         a special subcategory of reports for future rounds, but I
>         observe that so far they have been quite resistant to attempts
>         to add or redefine categories.
>
>         Linda
>
>         On 5 Aug 2014, at 4:00 pm, Mark W. Post <markwpost at gmail.com
>         <mailto:markwpost at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>             Dear RNLDers,
>
>             In the current ERA reporting round, there seems to be an
>             increase in
>             attention to Non-Traditional Research Output (NTRO). Here
>             at UNE, we're
>             trying to work out how archive deposits (corpora of
>             language-documentary
>             materials) can be assessed in the NTRO context, and,
>             ultimately,
>             effectively weighted in relation to TROs. In addition to
>             general
>             problems of equivalence, one of the concerns is the fact
>             that deposits
>             often grow in scale and richness over time, whereas there
>             might be only
>             one recognizable submission/acceptance "event".
>
>             Does anyone have experience with this, or is anyone
>             currently preparing
>             an NTRO submission along these lines for the current ERA
>             round?
>
>             Many thanks in advance,
>
>             Mark
>
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Simon Musgrave
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>
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