[RNLD] Cognates in NSW Langauges

Barry Alpher barryalpher at gmail.com
Fri Feb 1 13:42:32 EST 2019

PS This was NOT meant to go out to the RNLD list!!!


On Fri, Feb 1, 2019 at 1:40 PM Barry Alpher <barryalpher at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
> Here attached is my Pama-Nyungan list. David already has a recent copy of
> the file; the other two of you do not.
> So, Peter and Lesley, there are three conditions:
> Please do not circulate it further; and
> Please note that is a working copy, as the filename states. I don't want
> to have variant copies in others' possession, so I ask you that if you feel
> something is wrong and you'd like to se it corrected, of if you would like
> something added, please send your comments on to me; and
> Please consult me before citing.
> The file has grown and changed since the 2004 publication, and of course
> it contains material that I ruled out in 2004 as not going back to
> proto-Pama-Nyungan. Some of those forms I now regard as clearly
> proto-Pama-Nyungan in age, and on the other hand there are numerous new
> doubtful new forms that I find intriguing for one reason or another. And
> there are some that I designated proto-Pama-Nyungan in age in 2004 that I
> now think are not: an example is the *kuc(y)arra ('two') etymon--and that
> reminds me, I am now working on the hypothesis that the lamino-alveopalatal
> stop and nasal (c and ñ) were not distinct from (th, nh) (the "Warburton
> Ranges pattern") in pPNy and am in the process of rethinking *c(y) as *ki,
> *yk and so on. I can't promise consistency in this regard, but I hope I've
> got it all cross-referenced.
>    The "Appendix" (Command-Option-g) is a list of specifically southeast
> Cape York Peninsula forms that I made in aide of stuff I was writing on
> Yidiny and other languages of the region. In theory all that material is
> duplicated in the main list but I can't promise that.
>    And, of course, there are numerous typos and other sloppy stuff.
> Have fun with it,
> Barry
> On Wed, Jan 30, 2019 at 8:09 PM Peter Austin <pa2 at soas.ac.uk> wrote:
>> Not sure what you're looking for. Do you mean lexical items that have
>> cognates in one or more PNY languages? Barry Alpher published an extensive
>> list in Bowern and Koch 2004. For NSW lower level groupings see my paper on
>> Proto-central NSW in 1997. There's also Terry Crowley's work on Nganyaywana.
>> Best
>> Peter
>> On Thu, 31 Jan 2019, 00:47 Lesley Woods <lhwoods1 at bigpond.com wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> I had this query yesterday:
>>> 'Have you ever come across a list of cognates for Pama-Nyungan
>>> languages?'
>>> I thought that there might be something for smaller groups of languages
>>> and in particular anything on NSW languages would be great.
>>> Kind regards
>>> Lesley Woods
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