The importance of correct stress in Russian (pisAl).

[Alex]

Mykola Szoma wrote:

> > > - dESX Q ^ITAW (BA^IW NA internet-i) ]O UKRA?NSXKA MOWA
> > > MA: 40 D3QLEKT3W. nE PAMQTA@ NA QKOMU SAJT3,ALE PAMQTA@
> > > ]O ^ITAW. pITANNQ: cE : PRAWDA?

> Vash BROWSER ne zrozumiv shcho ya napysav. Poiasniuiu yak ya pysav:
> Ya vzhyvav shryft "ER BUKINIST 1251" i klaviaturu "UKR" shcho
> znakhodytsia

Hello, Mykola.

I've got your message at once (as well as my reply to Richard Robin).
Perhaps this is because I am a native speaker. This type of "transliteration"
is quite readable and I like it more than "Russian-Americution" style actually.
Because it "reflects" every cyrillic character. But I see Robin's cyrillic
pretty well! Why is then our distorted? Some list members suggested (in
private messages to me) that it's got something to do with the upper bit.

I've compared different letters' headers and should say that no - CUNYVM server
transfers 8 bit encoding. The problem should be somewhere either in X-mailer
or in our local (provider's) servers. Please look:

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
   Mine:      X-Mailer:   Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I)
                         X-Mozilla-Status:  8013
            Content-Type:  text/plain; charset=koi8-r
            Content-Transfer-Encoding:   8bit      <------- when I type cyrillic

                         X-Mozilla-Status:  8011    
            Content-Transfer-Encoding:   7bit      <------- using only latin char.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Robin's:    X-Mailer:    Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U)
                         X-Mozilla-Status:  8003
                         X-Accept-Language:  ru    <------- notice this line
            Content-Type:  text/plain; charset=koi8-r
            Content-Transfer-Encoding:   8bit
 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ticom.net id RAA18803
    ^
    |______ the last line was certainly generated by my server!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
 Mykola's     X-Mailer:   Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I)
                         X-Accept-Language: en,es,uk,ru,be
    
              X-Mozilla-Status: 8013
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
So as you can see the only difference is a Mozilla version.

By the way, Mykola, what is "be" - Belorussian? 
       
Now I set my mailer to "quoted printable" 8bit encoding and try again
Cyrillic:  проверка прохождения кириллицы через сервер.

And at last. I've set my own mailing list for experimental mailing of non-native
Russian learners. I've checked it already with a help of different users around
the World and it seemed to pass Cyrillic pretty well (of course it may be needed
sometimes personal adjustments). You (or your students) may try it if you wish.

You may get there from the site:       http://SashaAndNatasha.listbot.com/

or send an e-mail to:     <SashaAndNatasha-subscribe at listbot.com>
and then reply to the verification.

After that you are able to send a message (you can write it in English of course too).
But I would like you to check the cyrillic - I'm quite curious.
The address of mailing list is: <SashaAndNatasha at listbot.com>.
If you send there a message without subscription, the server will forward it
to me - listowner.

Regards

Alex