Slovo o Polku Igorove Online?

[Edward M Dumanis]

I am looking forward to reading Professor Keenan's materials but I want to
mention that it is not just the Turkic words only but also the Turkic
customs described there (such as burial) must be explained in a forgery
theory as well as the intention of the creator (something weightier than
to target the XX century linguists).
I, personally, would not dismiss the Oljas Sulejmenov's arguments from "Az
i ya" without giving them very serious consideration, but, it is,
probably, a matter of subjective judgment.

Sincerely,

Edward Dumanis <dumanis at acsu.buffalo.edu>

On Wed, 31 Jan 2001, Dean Worth wrote:

> Dear Colleague,
> 
>         I suggest you <italic>should</italic> read Professor Keenan's materials.
> If I remember correctly, he shows precisely that Dobrovsky knew Turkic,
> which --depending on the quality of D's knowledge, which I can't judge--
> would vitiate the argument (by Roman Jakobson and others) that the IT
> must be original to the late 12th c.
> 
> because no one in the 18th could have known those Turkic words. The
> <italic>Az i ja
> 
> </italic>booklet isns't a very weighty piece of evidence. Regards, Dean
> Worth
> 
> 
> 
> At 10:44 AM 1/31/01 -0500, you wrote:
> 
> >I am sorry to make this comment without the benefit of reading your
> book
> 
> >or the article to which you refer.  As I understand, Oljas Sulejmenov
> in
> 
> >his book "Az i ja" (published about 30 years ago) quiet convincingly
> 
> >showed impossibility of any forgery of the Slovo in the XIX century or
> 
> >earlier in view of the Old Turk customs described there which he had
> 
> >discovered. The corresponding linguistic layer would have to be
> introduced
> 
> >in the original document by its creator. To show that "Slovo" was
> forged,
> 
> >one must explain then how the Sulejmenov's discovery would be
> consistent
> 
> >with an assumption of forgery. I am just wondering if you or anybody
> else
> 
> >were able to overcome the Sulejmenov's argument.
> 
> >
> 
> >Sincerely,
> 
> >
> 
> >
> 
> >Edward Dumanis <<dumanis at acsu.buffalo.edu>
> 
> >
> 
> >
> 
> >
> 
> >On Tue, 30 Jan 2001, Keenan, Edward wrote:
> 
> >
> 
> >> ... if not a supernatural feat.  Since, as is extremely probable, the
> Slovo
> 
> >> was composed by Josef Dobrovsky during or after his stay in Russia 
> in
> 
> >> 1792-3, it was probably (lower probability; less evidence here), in
> its
> 
> >> "original" (i.e., first) form, written in the mixed Latin-Cyrillic
> 
> >> "all-slavic" alphabet he and his student Václav Hanka occasionally
> favored
> 
> >> to render the "old Slavic dialect."  (See Hanka's Prague, 1821 edition
> of
> 
> >> the Slovo.)  
> 
> >> 
> 
> >> I would suggest that readers' time would be better spent reading
> authentic
> 
> >> works.
> 
> >> 
> 
> >> Edward L. Keenan
> 
> >> Andrew W. Mellon Professor of History, Harvard University
> 
> >> Director, Dumbarton Oaks Research Library and Collections
> 
> >> 1703 32nd. Street, NW, Washington, DC 20007
> 
> >> 
> 
> >> PS: For a foretaste of my forthcoming book, you might look at the
> little
> 
> >> article in the recent Roman Szporluk Festschrift (=Harvard Ukrainian
> 
> >> Studies, vol. 22).
> 
> >> 
> 
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> 
> >> > From: william ryan [SMTP:wfr at SAS.AC.UK]
> 
> >> > Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2001 5:59 PM
> 
> >> > To:   SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
> 
> >> > Subject:      Re: Slovo o Polku Igorove Online?
> 
> >> > 
> 
> >> > That really would be a triumph of modern technology!
> 
> >> > Will Ryan
> 
> >> > 
> 
> >> > Charles Price wrote:
> 
> >> > 
> 
> >> > > Does anyone happen to know a web page with Slovo o
> 
> >> > > Polku Igorove in the original script?
> 
> >> > >
> 
> >> > > TIA
> 
> >> > > Charles
> 
> >> > 
> 
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