Educational terminology - profil'nye klassy

Mon May 14 08:08:27 UTC 2007

In Ukraine we used to have (and still have) them too, those klassy s uglyblennym izucheniem chego-nibud'.
I think it is comparable with Erweiterungskurs and, later, Leistungskurs vs Grundkurs in German public schools. Both are about learning on a higher level starting from year 7. Those who can't join such classes or don't need them, continue studying the subject in a Grundkurs. And whenever I see both words in English texts, I see 'intermediate level' in brackets for Erweiterungskurs and 'advanced level' for Leistungskurs. However, in more general contexts, but exactly about high schools, not universities, they are _both_ called advanced-level courses (vs basic-level courses, i.e. Grundkurse). Maybe this is it, the equivalent. Although the dictionary says: Leistungskurs - in Schule etwa: special subject, AE honors course; Ich bin im Leistungskurs Geschichte.  -  I'm taking history as a special subject.  But I myself would never trust dictionaries...
Regards,
Maryna Vinraska

"Shrager, Miriam" <mshrage at INDIANA.EDU> wrote: "Profil'nyj klass" is a specialized class. There used to be (and there 
are still) many specialized high schools in Russia, e.g. math schools, 
languages schools, etc. "Licej" is a new type of specialized school 
where there are several specializations. For example, in Licej where my 
children studied there were 4 specialized classes: mathematics, 
biology, physics-chemistry, and humanities. In order to be accepted to 
one of these classes, one must pass specialized tests in the relevant 
subjects. During the high school years students study all the subjects, 
but the specialized subject they study in depth.

I don't know what is the English equivqlent to these. I heard that 
there are "magnet schools" in the USA (for example, there is one in 
Chicago), which are similar. So maybe that would be a good candidate 
for translation.

Regarding "colledge", it is a college, but one that has a "lower" 
status than the university or an "Institute". This is so because 
student's don't need to pass the hard entrance exams, just pay in order 
to study there. Usually, those who want to be in academia don't study 
in a college. I think that this one is hard to translate because I 
don't know of an equivalent, say, in the USA for that. Hope it helps.

Best regards
-Miriam

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> Date:    Sun, 13 May 2007 00:12:50 -0400
> From:    "Paul B. Gallagher" 

> Subject: Educational terminology -- equivalents?
>
> I'm translating a fairly general piece on the Moscow education system
> (present day), and hopingf someone can suggest the nearest equivalents
> for these terms:
>
> Ð¿Ñ�Ð¾Ñ�Ð¸Ð»Ñ�Ð½Ñ�Ð¹ ÐºÐ»Ð°Ñ�Ñ�
> Ð»Ð¸Ñ�ÐµÐ¹
> ÐºÐ¾Ð»Ð»ÐµÐ´Ð¶
> ÐºÐ°Ð´ÐµÑ�Ñ�ÐºÐ¸Ð¹ ÐºÐ¾Ñ�Ð¿Ñ�Ñ�
>
> Is a "Ð»Ð¸Ñ�ÐµÐ¹" like a prep school?
>
> I hesitate to translate "ÐºÐ¾Ð»Ð»ÐµÐ´Ð¶" as "college" because my American
> reader will take it to mean "Ð²Ñ�Ð·."
>
> The other two have me pretty baffled.
>
> For a text that covers territory similar enough to mine to help with
> context, see .
>
> And here's the controlling law (MS Word file in zip archive, 21 KB):
> 
>
> Art. 7, Para. 7 defines:
> Ð�Ð¸Ñ�ÐµÐ¹ - Ð²Ð¸Ð´ Ð³Ð¾Ñ�Ñ�Ð´Ð°Ñ�Ñ�Ñ�Ð²ÐµÐ½Ð½Ð¾Ð³Ð¾
> Ð¾Ð±Ñ�ÐµÐ¾Ð±Ñ�Ð°Ð·Ð¾Ð²Ð°Ñ�ÐµÐ»Ñ�Ð½Ð¾Ð³Ð¾ Ñ�Ñ�Ñ�ÐµÐ¶Ð´ÐµÐ½Ð¸Ñ�,
> Ñ�ÐµÐ°Ð»Ð¸Ð·Ñ�Ñ�Ñ�ÐµÐ³Ð¾ Ð¾Ð±Ñ�ÐµÐ¾Ð±Ñ�Ð°Ð·Ð¾Ð²Ð°Ñ�ÐµÐ»Ñ�Ð½Ñ�Ðµ
> Ð¿Ñ�Ð¾Ð³Ñ�Ð°Ð¼Ð¼Ñ� Ð¾Ñ�Ð½Ð¾Ð²Ð½Ð¾Ð³Ð¾ Ð¾Ð±Ñ�ÐµÐ³Ð¾ Ð¸ Ñ�Ñ�ÐµÐ´Ð½ÐµÐ³Ð¾
> (Ð¿Ð¾Ð»Ð½Ð¾Ð³Ð¾) Ð¾Ð±Ñ�ÐµÐ³Ð¾ Ð¾Ð±Ñ�Ð°Ð·Ð¾Ð²Ð°Ð½Ð¸Ñ�,
> Ð¾Ð±ÐµÑ�Ð¿ÐµÑ�Ð¸Ð²Ð°Ñ�Ñ�ÐµÐ³Ð¾ Ð¿Ñ�Ð¾Ñ�Ð¸Ð»Ñ�Ð½Ñ�Ñ�
> Ð¿Ð¾Ð´Ð³Ð¾Ñ�Ð¾Ð²ÐºÑ�
> Ð¾Ð±Ñ�Ñ�Ð°Ñ�Ñ�Ð¸Ñ�Ñ�Ñ� VIII-XI, IX-XI, X-XI ÐºÐ»Ð°Ñ�Ñ�Ð¾Ð² Ð¸, Ð¿Ð¾
> Ñ�ÐµÑ�ÐµÐ½Ð¸Ñ� Ð³Ð¾Ñ�Ð¾Ð´Ñ�ÐºÐ¾Ð³Ð¾ Ð¾Ñ�Ð³Ð°Ð½Ð°
> Ñ�Ð¿Ñ�Ð°Ð²Ð»ÐµÐ½Ð¸Ñ� Ð¾Ð±Ñ�Ð°Ð·Ð¾Ð²Ð°Ð½Ð¸ÐµÐ¼, VII-XI ÐºÐ»Ð°Ñ�Ñ�Ð¾Ð²
> Ð¸ Ñ�Ð¾Ñ�Ð¼Ð¸Ñ�Ð¾Ð²Ð°Ð½Ð¸Ðµ Ñ� Ð½Ð¸Ñ� Ð½Ð°Ð²Ñ�ÐºÐ¾Ð²
> Ñ�Ð°Ð¼Ð¾Ñ�Ñ�Ð¾Ñ�Ñ�ÐµÐ»Ñ�Ð½Ð¾Ð¹ Ð¿Ñ�Ð¾ÐµÐºÑ�Ð½Ð¾Ð¹ Ð¸
> Ð½Ð°Ñ�Ñ�Ð½Ð¾-Ð¸Ñ�Ñ�Ð»ÐµÐ´Ð¾Ð²Ð°Ñ�ÐµÐ»Ñ�Ñ�ÐºÐ¾Ð¹
> Ð´ÐµÑ�Ñ�ÐµÐ»Ñ�Ð½Ð¾Ñ�Ñ�Ð¸.
>
> Art. 7, Para. 3 defines:
> Ð�Ð°Ð´ÐµÑ�Ñ�ÐºÐ°Ñ� Ñ�ÐºÐ¾Ð»Ð° - Ð²Ð¸Ð´
> Ð³Ð¾Ñ�Ñ�Ð´Ð°Ñ�Ñ�Ñ�Ð²ÐµÐ½Ð½Ð¾Ð³Ð¾
> Ð¾Ð±Ñ�ÐµÐ¾Ð±Ñ�Ð°Ð·Ð¾Ð²Ð°Ñ�ÐµÐ»Ñ�Ð½Ð¾Ð³Ð¾ Ñ�Ñ�Ñ�ÐµÐ¶Ð´ÐµÐ½Ð¸Ñ�,
> Ñ�ÐµÐ°Ð»Ð¸Ð·Ñ�Ñ�Ñ�ÐµÐ³Ð¾ Ð¾Ð±Ñ�ÐµÐ¾Ð±Ñ�Ð°Ð·Ð¾Ð²Ð°Ñ�ÐµÐ»Ñ�Ð½Ñ�Ðµ
> Ð¿Ñ�Ð¾Ð³Ñ�Ð°Ð¼Ð¼Ñ� Ð½Ð°Ñ�Ð°Ð»Ñ�Ð½Ð¾Ð³Ð¾ Ð¾Ð±Ñ�ÐµÐ³Ð¾,
> Ð¾Ñ�Ð½Ð¾Ð²Ð½Ð¾Ð³Ð¾
> Ð¾Ð±Ñ�ÐµÐ³Ð¾ Ð¸ Ñ�Ñ�ÐµÐ´Ð½ÐµÐ³Ð¾ (Ð¿Ð¾Ð»Ð½Ð¾Ð³Ð¾) Ð¾Ð±Ñ�ÐµÐ³Ð¾ Ð¸
> Ð´Ð¾Ð¿Ð¾Ð»Ð½Ð¸Ñ�ÐµÐ»Ñ�Ð½Ð¾Ð³Ð¾ Ð¾Ð±Ñ�Ð°Ð·Ð¾Ð²Ð°Ð½Ð¸Ñ�,
> Ð¾Ð±ÐµÑ�Ð¿ÐµÑ�Ð¸Ð²Ð°Ñ�Ñ�Ð¸Ðµ Ð¿Ð¾Ð´Ð³Ð¾Ñ�Ð¾Ð²ÐºÑ�
> Ð¾Ð±Ñ�Ñ�Ð°Ñ�Ñ�Ð¸Ñ�Ñ�Ñ� Ðº Ñ�Ð»Ñ�Ð¶ÐµÐ½Ð¸Ñ� Ð�Ñ�ÐµÑ�ÐµÑ�Ñ�Ð²Ñ� Ð½Ð°
> Ð³Ñ�Ð°Ð¶Ð´Ð°Ð½Ñ�ÐºÐ¾Ð¼ Ð¸ Ð²Ð¾ÐµÐ½Ð½Ð¾Ð¼ Ð¿Ð¾Ð¿Ñ�Ð¸Ñ�Ðµ.
>
> This is as close as they get to "ÐºÐ°Ð´ÐµÑ�Ñ�ÐºÐ¸Ð¹ ÐºÐ¾Ñ�Ð¿Ñ�Ñ�."
>
> The terms "Ð¿Ñ�Ð¾Ñ�Ð¸Ð»Ñ�Ð½Ñ�Ð¹ ÐºÐ»Ð°Ñ�Ñ�" and "ÐºÐ¾Ð»Ð»ÐµÐ´Ð¶" do
> not appear anywhere in the
> law.
>
> MTIA
>
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