helicopters

[Tatiana N. Bazvanova]

Hello Ralph,
my name is Tatiana. I don't know how to sign out Seelangs.
Can you help me?

Thanks and my best wishes,
Tatiana

* Ralph Cleminson <Ralph.Cleminson at PORT.AC.UK> [Sun, 31 Aug 2008 
16:30:48 +0100]:
> Ušakov is right: the word вертолет was coined in 1929 by N.I.Kamov,
> co-inventor of the Kaskr-1, which is an autogiro, so clearly at the
> beginning this is indeed what it meant.
>
> Hélicoptère dates back to 1861, and was borrowed into Russian as
> геликоптер
> (perhaps via English, given the initial г-), a word definitely in use 
at
> the time of Kamov's invention and indeed a decade later, when 
A.A.Žabrov
> published a book entitled "Автожир и геликоптер", showing that at this
> period Russian made the same distinction as English between aircraft
> with unpowered and powered rotors, and, apparently, neither of them 
was
> known generically as a вертолет. Автожир survives to this day, but at
> some point геликоптер was replaced by вертолет: could it be that in 
the
> course of the Soviet Union's efforts to establish itself as родина
> слонов
> it was felt preferably to have a "Russian" name for this symbol of
> progress?
>
> Regarding the origin, autogiro (c.1920) should theoretically give
> *самовёрт, but gyroplane (1907) is a better bet.
> Вертолет may be a direct calque from this, or else it may stand in the
> same relation to самолет as gyroplane to aéroplane (yes, the word did
> exist in 19th-century French).
>
> Since an autogiro cannot take off vertically, the original point -- 
the
> fanciful nature of Vvedenskaja and Kolesnikov's etymologies -- still
> stands.
>
>
> >>> John Dunn <J.Dunn at SLAVONIC.ARTS.GLA.AC.UK> 30/08/08 3:15 PM >>>
> The first volume of Ushakov was published in 1934, when helicopter
> manufacture was, to judge by the Wikipedia article, still in its
> infancy. If one adds this to Kamov's apparent coinage of the term in 
c.
> 1929, it would seem reasonable to conclude that when it first 
appeared,
> the word вертолёт [vertolet] did indeed mean the same as автожир
> [avtozhir] and that its meaning shifted as the mass production of
> helicopters took off (sorry!) and autogiros were cast into (near)
> oblivion. This would then reinstate the plausibility of the link with
> вертеть
> [vertet'] and the possibility of a calque from ...giro.
>
> John Dunn.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Ryan <wfr at SAS.AC.UK>
> To: SEELANGS at BAMA.UA.EDU
> Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:13:51 +0100
> Subject: Re: [SEELANGS] helicopters
>
> I thought so too - but see Russian Wikipedia:
>
> Когда изобрели летательный аппарат, которому не нужен разбег перед
> взлётом, поскольку он способен вертикально подняться и полететь с
> любой площадки, то для его наименования создали слово /вертолёт/
> (/верт/икально + /лет/еть), отражающее специфику этой летательной
> машины (Л. А. Введенский, Н. П. Колесников. Этимология: Учебное
> пособие // СПб., Питер. 2004, стр. 107). Впервые термин /вертолёт/
> был применён Н. И. Камовым
>
> 
<http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%B2,_%D0%9D%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B9_%D0%98%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%B8%D1%87>
> к автожиру
>
> 
<http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%90%D0%B2%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B6%D0%B8%D1%80>
> КАСКР-1
> <http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80-1>.
>
> Ushakov says a vertolet is the same as an avtozhir - which it isn't
> because an autogyro needs forward movement to fly and its rotor is not
> powered - therefore, unlike a helicopter, it cannot fly vertically. 
This
>
> makes the final statement in the passage quoted above puzzling.
>
> Will Ryan
>
>
> John Dunn
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>
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