Short Adjective Inquiry

[jdingley at YORKU.CA]

In his Die russische Sprache der Gegenwart, §93, Issatschenko states
that the short forms of iskrennij and the -storonnii compounds (about 15 of
these, e.g. odnostoronnij) are hard throughtout. So, iskrenen, iskrenna,
etc. and odnostoronen, odnostoronna (sic), etc.

Although the hard forms might be considered normative for iskrennij, i.e.
iskrenen, iskrenna, iskrenno, iskrenny (soft forms are also found: iskrenne,
iskrenni), I can find no source which gives hard forms for the -storonnij
compounds. I find only -storonen, -storonnja, -storonne, -storonni.

I should add that the masc. short form of soft adjectives in -nii, with
the exception of sinij, is always hard, e.g. lishnij ~ lishen, drevnij ~
dreven, but sinij ~ sin'. Also it should be remembered that only those
adjectives which can compare (non-relative adjectives) have short forms.

I wonder where Issatschenko got his information? As a native speaker of
Russian perhaps he used the hard forms for the -storonnij compounds in his
own speech?

John Dingley

Quoting Frans Suasso <Franssuasso at HOTMAIL.COM>:

> In the Grammarbook which I hüve been consulting since the mid-sixties
> (E.Tauscher, E.G. Kirschbaum: (Grammatik der russischen Sprachen Leipzig ,
> Volk und Wissen, several editions since 1960) I read on  pp 149/150:
>
>
>
>
>
> 2. Keine Kurzformen haben Qualitätsadjektive auf -ский ской
> und –овый, -евый,- овой, -вой, sowie einige
> Qualitätsadjective auf –ный, -
> нóй, z.B врáжеский (eindlich; дрýжеский
> freundschaftlich;  передовóй (
> ortschrittlich;  дéльный (vernünftig;  отдéльный
> gesondert,einzeln; роднóй
> verwandt;  старинный alt, altertümlich.
>
>
>
> 3. Keine Kur\formen haben abgeleitete  Farbadjective, z.B. голубóй
> himmelblau, (hell)blau; коричневый,  braun, zimtfarben;
> рóзовый, rosa,
> rosig..
>
>
>
> 4. Keine Kurzformen haben haufig von Verben abgeleitete Adjective auf -лый
> z.B устарéлый  veraltet, unmodern; умéлый eschickt, gewandt;
> отсталый
> rückständig; осиротéлый verwaist.
>
>
>
> 5. Keine Kurzformen haben Adjective, die auf Steigerungsformen zurückgehen,
> z.B:  большой gross; старший in der Bedeutung
> “erstgeboren”;  младший in der
> Bedeutung
>
> “letztgeboren”.
>
>
>
>
>
> That should settle the the question abou short adjectives.
>
>
>
> Frans Suasso, Naarden the Netherlands
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Langran" <john at RUSLAN.CO.UK>
> To: <SEELANGS at BAMA.UA.EDU>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 10:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEELANGS] Short Adjective Inquiry
>
>
> > Also perhaps "ty zelen" - "you are green (inexperienced)"
> >
> > Perhaps the rule to give to students is that when you meet short form
> > adjectives of colour they are likely to be either from poetic/literary
> > sources, or sayings, or as my example with a figurative meaning. And of
> > course than non-native speakers shouldn't invent them.
> >
> > What other adjectives have no short form? In my list I have:
> > adjectives of time and place - vechernii, dnevnoy, mestny (?)
> > adjectives that denote substances - chugunny, zolotoy, derevyanny
> > adjectives in "-ovy", mainly from trees, plants, etc - vishnyovy, lipovy,
> > oblepikhovy etc.
> > ordinal numbers - pervy, vtoroy
> > adjectives in -ski  - angliisky etc
> > possessive adjectives eg - volchii
> >
> > John Langran
> > www.ruslan.co.uk
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Katya Jordan" <yvj2p at VIRGINIA.EDU>
> > To: <SEELANGS at BAMA.UA.EDU>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 2:14 AM
> > Subject: Re: [SEELANGS] Short Adjective Inquiry
> >
> >
> >> "Sinij" is definitely not the only adjective that has short forms, but it
> >> is the only one that has an interesting form.  However, if you're looking
> >> for other short-form color adjectives, they seem to be used only in set
> >> expressions, poetry, and proverbs, if they are used at all: Khorosh
> >> vinograd, da zelen;  Ne krasna izba uglami, a krasna pirogami, just to
> >> name a couple.
> >>
> >> When it comes to ordinary everyday speech, they are used rarely, and
> >> "zholty" and "sine" would sound just as awkward as "golubo" and
> >> "fioletov." The only short color adjective that I do use and I heard
> >> others use is "belo" in a phrase "na ulitse belym-belo."
> >>
> >> Katya Jordan
> >>
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