FW: [SEELANGS] pronun. of "Medvedev" (cont.)

[colkitto]

Meanwhile Lithuanian has a form "irstva" (I can't do accents in this 
programme) 'bear's den', which apparently is derived from the root that gave 
us arktos ursus etc.

Baltic as a whole has replaced the original IE form for 'bear' itself with a 
taboo form meaning 'hairy, etc. (lokys)

ursus/art/arktos, etc. may in turn be an earlier taboo form - it can be 
related to the root which gives us Sanskrit ratha Latin rota Gaulish 
(petor)ritum etc. 'wheel', and be etymologised as 'roller' (think of the 
scene in "Across the Great Divide" where the grizzly chases the horse and it 
becomes obvious).

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hugh Olmsted" <hugh_olmsted at COMCAST.NET>
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Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: [SEELANGS] FW: [SEELANGS] pronun. of "Medvedev" (cont.)


> Jules is right' that's exactly what it is.
>
> Hugh Olmsted
>
>
> On Mar 2, 2008, at 6:25 PM, Jules Levin wrote:
>
>> At 11:56 AM 3/2/2008, you wrote:
>>> Jerry Katsell wrote:
>>>> Of course, on the morphemic level, the poor beast can no longer  "know
>>>> the honey"
>>> [Encoding = Unicode UTF-8]
>>>
>>> He doesn't have to; he only needs to eat the honey. Medved' < med  + Å 
>>> + ěd, with the last root meaning "eat" and the whole word  apparently a 
>>> substitute for the original Indo-European word for  "bear," which had 
>>> become taboo.
>>>
>>> Bob Rothstein
>>
>> wouldn't it better be [better bee?] medu- + e...?  Cf. Lith medus
>> Thus the 'v' would be a vestige of the original -u stem
>> The stem vowel is routinely (about 50% of the time I believe)  preserved 
>> in such compounds in CSLi, so that wouldn't be
>> a problem.
>>
>> Jules Levin
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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