Pozor Rossii

[Peitlova Katarina]

10 days ago they were so much responds about HOW TO BE POLITICALLY 
CORRECT!!!1

bEST WISHES,
kATARINA
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Maria Dmytriyeva" <xmas at UA.FM>
To: <SEELANGS at bama.ua.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 8:52 AM
Subject: Re: [SEELANGS] Pozor Rossii


> To Mr Valerii Shelenko:
>
> I really would not engage into this dick-waving contest whose government 
> is more inadequate.
> because -- at the end of the day -- I can always say that the government 
> of my country never waged war against its own citizens, never envaded its 
> neighbours'  territory, never blackmailed other governments and is no more 
> killing journalists, opposition leaders and activists.
> I think for a post-Soviet country it is already a big achievement. don't 
> you think?
>
> as to allies.
> well, they did kill a lot of other's citizens. _after_ they were allies.
> besides, the USSR was killing millions of its own citizens. I have much 
> more problems with that.
>
> Ukrainians and Belorussians were people who inhabit the territories 
> between Russia and Poland / Czech / Slovakia / Romania.
> Soviets was a political power. _armed_ political power. obviously some of 
> its soldiers were Ukrainians and Belorussians. that's the problem with 
> stateless nations -- whoever's got more guns can take over you and take 
> away you grain, soil, wood, gas, girls to work in their factories and boys 
> to fight in their armies. (and I didn't mention museums and archives. what 
> is another painful issue)
>
> so for Ukrainians in, say, Western Ukraine it was no great difference 
> between Nazis and Soviets. both were worth.
> in Eastern Ukraine this was settled much earlier -- with the climax in the 
> form of the Great Famine. when all attempts of resistance were heavily 
> supressed.
>
> so I see your point. I just don't understand whom you intended to impress 
> (let alone) convince with it.
>
> With best regards,
> Maria
>
>> To Ms Maria Dmytriyeva:
>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>fifth. the present-day Russia is a country led by madmen.
>> Georgia has already experienced it. Ukraine may be the next.
>>
>> Oh, really? What is the difference, then between the no less 'madmen'
>> Mr Saakashvili+co and the scorned Russians?
>> Do you belive that the hoplessly corrupted oligarchical politicians
>> like Timoshenko (the notorious "Gas Princess") or Yuschenko/Baloga or
>> former Ukrainian Prime-Minister the former convict Yanukovich  are
>> *not* madmen at all and *only* Medvedev (PhD in Law of SPB University,
>> Sobchak's favourite disciple) is this scorned 'madman'?
>>
>> >>>>>the Soviet Union and nazist Germany were allies. ever heard of 
>> >>>>>Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact?
>>
>> Ever heard (as at least, as a decent 'Slavist') that political allies
>> were killing millions of their own - of each one of them? very
>> peculiar type of allies then! Never heard of that type of allies. Must
>> be the first case in human history!
>>
>> >>>>>second.  it was not that much Russia itself that took the blow. it 
>> >>>>>was Ukraine and Belarus. which were first occupied by the Soviets 
>> >>>>>(in 1939, Western parts) then by Germans, and then "freed"  by 
>> >>>>>Soviets again.
>
>> Please tell, who were those "Soviets"? Were they some kind of aliens
>> who came from Mars? Would you care to explain and strictly
>> differentiate between the "Soviets" and the (blessed and innocent)
>> "Ukrainians"/ "Belorussians"? What is the empirical real-life
>> difference between "Soviets" and the "Belorussians" or "Ukrainians"?
>>
>> With all due respect,
>> Valerii Shelenko
>
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