C vs Co
Anna Frajlich-Zajac
af38 at COLUMBIA.EDU
Wed Aug 4 02:33:45 UTC 2010
Dear Frank,
this is great. We have similar phenomenon in Polish.
Anna
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On Aug 3, 2010, at 6:23 PM, Frank J Miller wrote:
> Here are some rules and examples
> FM
>
> 3.1. Prepositions ending in consonants usually add -o before:
> a) Unqualified monosyllabic noun complements whose nominative
> contains a fleeting vowel:
> во рту
> изо рта
> во мху
> во ржи
> во рву
> ко дну
> со льдом
> во льду
> со лба
> ко дню
> со дня (but: с днём)
> во сне (but: в снах)
> со сна
> ко сну
> со Львом
> b) Words beginning with consonant clusters articulated in the same
> position or which would otherwise be difficult to pronounce
> together with the preposition. Some of the more commonly occurring
> of these words are:
> безо всего
> во Владивостоке
> во Владимире
> во власти
> во всяком (случае)
> во все, во всё
> во вторник
> во второй
> во Вьетнаме
> во главе (в главе)
> во дворе
> во мгле
> во мне
> во многом
> во множестве
> во мраке
> во рву
> во рту
> во сколько
> во столько
> во сто крат
> во тьме
> во Флориде
> во флоте
> во фраке
> изо дня в день
> ко времени
> ко всем, ко всему
> ко вторнику
> ко второму
> ко мне
> ко многим
> ко многому
> надо мной
> ото всех
> день ото дня
> передо мной
> со всем, всеми, всей
> со всякими
> со вторника
> со двора
> со дна
> со дня на день
> со зла
> со злости,
> со злостью
> со многими
> со мной
> со стола
> со своим
> со слезами
> со спиной
> со службы
> со старушкой
> со стены
> со сливками
> со сметаной
> со среды
> со славой
> со снегом
> со станции
> Note the following fixed expressions with BO:
> во весь голос, во весь рост
> во имя (Отца и Сына и Святого духа)
> во избежание (ошибок, неприятностей)
> во-первых, во-вторых (but в-третьих)
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 3, 2010, at 4:35 PM, Mark Kingdom wrote:
>
>> Thank you, Stefani, it does help. I knew all those examples, but
>> the thing
>> is...
>>
>> ....what, therefore, is the underlying rule to know 100% of the
>> time what it
>> will be?
>> Is there one?
>>
>>
>> 2010/8/3 Stefani, Sara Marie <samastef at indiana.edu>
>>
>>> "Co" is used before words that begin with a consonant cluster
>>> that begins
>>> with "c" - so "со Стивом" or "со студенткой," but "c сестрой," "с
>>> Сергеем."
>>> But not in front of many other consonant clusters like "с
>>> профессором," "с
>>> Владом," "с братом." However, you do also say "со всеми," and "со
>>> мной," "со
>>> многими людьми."
>>>
>>> Hope that helps.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> sms
>>>
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>>> Subject: Re: [SEELANGS] C vs Co
>>>
>>> I thought it was just a matter of whether the target word starts
>>> with a "C"
>>> - it if does, the extra vowel creates a liason which is easier to
>>> say.
>>>
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>>> 2010/8/3 Mark Kingdom <k2kingdom at gmail.com>
>>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> Can someone direct me to an online reference which lists the
>>>> rules for
>>>> when to use с vs со?
>>>>
>>>> Я ходил туда со Стивом.
>>>>
>>>> Я ходил туда с Владом.
>>>>
>>>> I feel if I run through 100 names, I'll see the pattern, but if the
>>> work's
>>>> already been done, it makes things easier.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry for such a newbie question.
>>>>
>>>> TIA,
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
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