palach

[Leslie Root]

I think it's worth noting that *palach *is not so much "from the Turkish" as
supposed to be related to the Turkish word *pala*, 'saber,' 'scimitar.' I
say "supposed" because the standard Turkish suffix -*çi* for "one who"*
(whence, supposedly, the -*ch *on *palach*) is unattested in combination
with *pala*. So the realm of assumption has, perhaps, already been jumped
into.

Leslie

* - e.g. *balik *'fish' + *çi *yields *balikçi*, 'fisherman'; *sol *'left' +
*cu, *altered for vowel harmony, yields *solcu, *'leftist.'

On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Lewis B. Sckolnick
<info at runanywhere.com>wrote:

>  Palach is a Turkic name. We see it again in another Turkic language Hebrew
> as Pal to execute.
> I am not talking about the Czech or Polish language.
> In Polish Palec can be either toe or thumb but isin't all of this a little
> bit off topic?
> When we jump into the realm of assumption then we are lost when it comes to
> translation.
>
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> On 12/20/2010 10:56 AM, David Powelstock wrote:
>
>> [marginal correction] The Czech surname Palach is unrelated the Russian
>> (or
>> Turkish) *palach*. First, the final consonant of the Czech surname is not
>> <ch>  (as in cheese) but<kh>  ('x' in Cyrillic). The noun *palach
>> *('executioner')
>> is not a Czech word, to the best of my knowledge; even if it were, it
>> would
>> be spelled differently. The surname Palach is probably a variant of
>> Paluch,
>> from the Polish for big toe or short finger (disclaimer: I'm not a
>> Polonist!), perhaps used as a figurative nickname for a small person (cf.
>> Tom Thumb).
>>
>> Cheers,
>> David P
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 10:10 AM, Lewis B. Sckolnick
>> <info at runanywhere.com>wrote:
>>
>>   Palach is an executioner or hangman and someone who most likely has a
>>> certain amount of judicial discretion. The word is from the Turkish.
>>> Palach
>>> is taken as a Jewish name in the Turkish world, thus Palache, Palaggi,
>>> Falaji, Palyaj related to Hazzan and there is of course Jan Palach from
>>> Prague. In this instant case context must be allowed to play a large role
>>> even if the resulting translation might not be as genteel as some might
>>> want
>>> it to be.
>>>
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