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[Panorama of Russia]

Many thanks to Paul, Wayles, Will, Miriam, 
Stuart, and Robert. You have been very helpful.

Michael Braun

At 05:46 PM 1/7/2010, you wrote:
>Should have read farther down the list... thanks Will for identifying the
>quote from Ivan's letter. Best, RR
>
>2010/1/7 Robert Romanchuk <rromanch at gmail.com>
>
> > I don't know the source of the quotation, but it seems more likely to me
> > that "izhe" is functioning here as the 
> (Greek) article ho, hence "Luther the
> > ferocious" (cf. Konstantinos ho philosophos, "Constantine the Philosopher,"
> > or in a naughtier context [book 12 of the Greek Anthology], Dorikon he
> > philephebos, "Dora who likes the young guys"). Also, this pun on Luther's
> > name was fairly common in Church Slavic. Best, RR
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Stuart Goldberg <
> > stuart.goldberg at modlangs.gatech.edu> wrote:
> >
> >> I take back the "who is": "for he is"
> >>
> >>
> >> Stuart Goldberg wrote:
> >>
> >>> Strange no one has commented on "izhe": Luther [i.e., Cruel One], who is
> >>> [for he is?] cruel.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Shrager, Miriam wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi Michael,
> >>>>
> >>>> The word Ljutor refers to Martin Luther. The adjective "lut" would not
> >>>> have the suffix -or-. Also, the context helps here, this is about the
> >>>> debates of Ivan the Terrible with a pastor about faiths.
> >>>>
> >>>> Best,
> >>>> Miriam Shrager
> >>>> Indiana University in Bloomington
> >>>>
> >>>>  Panorama of Russia wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>  Dear SEELANGers,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I am trying to translate the title of a book by Nikoletta Marchalis
> >>>>>> into
> >>>>>> English. ìÀÔÏÒØ ÉÖÅ ÌÀÔØ. ðÒÅÎÉÅ Ï ×ÅÒÅ ÃÁÒÑ é×ÁÎÁ çÒÏÚÎÏÇÏ Ó ÐÁÓÔÏÒÏÍ
> >>>>>> òÏËÉÔÏÊ. The best I can manage is Cruel of the cruel. The argument
> >>>>>> about
> >>>>>> faith between Tsar Ivan the Terrible and pastor Rokita. My native
> >>>>>> Russian speaking colleague doesn't accept it, but can't improve it.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Can anybody set me straight?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
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