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[Robert Romanchuk]

Should have read farther down the list... thanks Will for identifying the
quote from Ivan's letter. Best, RR

2010/1/7 Robert Romanchuk <rromanch at gmail.com>

> I don't know the source of the quotation, but it seems more likely to me
> that "izhe" is functioning here as the (Greek) article ho, hence "Luther the
> ferocious" (cf. Konstantinos ho philosophos, "Constantine the Philosopher,"
> or in a naughtier context [book 12 of the Greek Anthology], Dorikon he
> philephebos, "Dora who likes the young guys"). Also, this pun on Luther's
> name was fairly common in Church Slavic. Best, RR
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Stuart Goldberg <
> stuart.goldberg at modlangs.gatech.edu> wrote:
>
>> I take back the "who is": "for he is"
>>
>>
>> Stuart Goldberg wrote:
>>
>>> Strange no one has commented on "izhe": Luther [i.e., Cruel One], who is
>>> [for he is?] cruel.
>>>
>>>
>>> Shrager, Miriam wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Michael,
>>>>
>>>> The word Ljutor refers to Martin Luther. The adjective "lut" would not
>>>> have the suffix -or-. Also, the context helps here, this is about the
>>>> debates of Ivan the Terrible with a pastor about faiths.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Miriam Shrager
>>>> Indiana University in Bloomington
>>>>
>>>>  Panorama of Russia wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  Dear SEELANGers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am trying to translate the title of a book by Nikoletta Marchalis
>>>>>> into
>>>>>> English. Люторь иже лють. Прение о вере царя Ивана Грозного с пастором
>>>>>> Рокитой. The best I can manage is Cruel of the cruel. The argument
>>>>>> about
>>>>>> faith between Tsar Ivan the Terrible and pastor Rokita. My native
>>>>>> Russian speaking colleague doesn't accept it, but can't improve it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can anybody set me straight?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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