Thanks - and another skazka question

[William Ryan]

  Just depends where you live, both for English speakers and for Russian 
speakers. In Britain 'pancake' would be the only translation - it is 
generic for several kinds of flat fried batter, from large thin crepes 
to smaller fat Scottish pancakes - the recipes can vary widely. The 
bliny I have eaten, and helped to make, in Russia were mostly like 
English or French pancakes except that they were often, though not 
always, made with yeast. I have had them made from both wheat and rye 
flour, and I would say that many Russians don't distinguish between 
bliny and blinchiki and may use both words for the same object.

See Oxford Engl. Dict.:
*pancake. a.* A thin flat cake of batter, fried on both sides in a pan.
In Britain made without a raising agent, and similar to a crêpe (cf. 
CRÊPE 
<http://0-dictionary.oed.com.catalogue.ulrls.lon.ac.uk/cgi/crossref?query_type=word&queryword=pancake&first=1&max_to_show=10&sort_type=alpha&search_id=aW7c-7WLMH5-5208&result_place=2&xrefword=crepe&ps=n.> 
/n./ 3); in N. America made with a raising agent, and similar to a drop 
scone or Scotch pancake (cf. /drop-scone/ n. at SCONE 
<http://0-dictionary.oed.com.catalogue.ulrls.lon.ac.uk/cgi/crossref?query_type=word&queryword=pancake&first=1&max_to_show=10&sort_type=alpha&search_id=aW7c-7WLMH5-5208&result_place=2&xrefword=scone&ps=n.> 
/n./ 1 and /Scotch pancake/ n. at SCOTCH 
<http://0-dictionary.oed.com.catalogue.ulrls.lon.ac.uk/cgi/crossref?query_type=word&queryword=pancake&first=1&max_to_show=10&sort_type=alpha&search_id=aW7c-7WLMH5-5208&result_place=2&xrefword=Scotch&homonym_no=3> 
/adj. /and/ n./^3 Special uses 1).

I think that 'pancake' in England is sufficiently non-precise that it 
would also translate olad'i, although if there is any filling added that 
would more probably be a 'fritter'. There are probably lots of regional 
variants in England; don't know about English as used in other parts of 
the world.

Personally I like to use a fairly liquid mixture of wheat and rye flour, 
with just a little sugar and yeast, to be fried in a pan  when the yeast 
is just beginning to work. If you can serve them with caviar and butter 
and flat parsley - wonderful! My children have always preferred the more 
English mixture of wheat flour, milk and egg, a softer kind of dish.

Will


On 12/09/2010 20:56, Josh Wilson wrote:
> I've actually always been annoyed by folks who translate "bliny" as
> "pancakes."
>
> Pancakes and bliny bear almost no semblance to each other - neither in how
> they look, taste, feel in the mouth, nor in how they are usually eaten.
>
> It's kinda like translating "Kanadets" as "American" because, you know,
> that's close enough. If the basket contained kholodets, would we call that
> "jello?"
>
> Just my two cents...
>
> Josh Wilson
> Assistant Director
> The School of Russian and Asian Studies
> Editor in Chief
> Vestnik, The Journal of Russian and Asian Studies
> SRAS.org
> jwilson at sras.org
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:SEELANGS at bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Chandler
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> Subject: Re: [SEELANGS] Thanks - and another skazka question
>
> Edward,
>
>> You use "pancakes" and I am not sure what they use in your original.
>> The version that I have mentioned uses "�������."
>> I would think that you version uses "��������."
>> If so, it would not necessarily agree with the comment made by Will Ryan.
> My version, from a collection edited by Pomerantseva, gives 'bliny'.  But
> there are pirozhki in the basket too.
>
> Thanks!
>
> R.
>
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