ne mozhno

[Ashot Vardanyan]

Definitely, that's the one of the points for the use of solecisms -- being 
obsolete. Note that usually native speakers perceive these in Pushkin and others 
completely as a standard, they may even not notice it. It's true for other 
languages as well, though.

Ashot Vardanyan




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From: Gasan Gusejnov <gusejnov at GOOGLEMAIL.COM>
To: SEELANGS at bama.ua.edu
Sent: Thu, March 3, 2011 10:04:10 AM
Subject: Re: [SEELANGS] ne mozhno

As an old Russian proverb says, "Is it forbidden by your religion to google
in yandex?"

Look for "Ne mozhno" in Pushkin's
Poltava<http://yandex.ru/yandsearch?text=%D0%B2%D0%BF%D1%80%D1%8F%D1%87%D1%8C+%D0%BD%D0%B5+%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%B6%D0%BD%D0%BE+%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BD%D1%8F+%D0%B8+%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%BD%D1%83%D1%8E+%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%8C&lr=178>

Look for "l'zya" in Sumarokov or
Derzhavin<http://www.stihi-rus.ru/1/Derzhavin/23.htm>
.

There is a name for such usage: solecism<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solecism>
.

Sometimes there is irony or self-irony in it, sometimes not.
Sometimes it is a violation of the standard or norm, but among people of
literacy it is a rather sublime usage.

gg

On 3 March 2011 15:39, Ashot Vardanyan <uiowashot at yahoo.com> wrote:

> It's as funny as the "l'zya" form used ironically or just as a joke for
> "mozhno". Of course, "ne mozhno" is not a standard, nor is "l'zya" at all.
> To
> me, sounds something like "mayn't" or even"mightn't" in English which sound
> terrible, don't they?
>
> Ashot Vardanyan
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: anne marie devlin <anne_mariedevlin at HOTMAIL.COM>
> To: SEELANGS at bama.ua.edu
> Sent: Thu, March 3, 2011 4:07:14 AM
> Subject: [SEELANGS] ne mozhno
>
> Dear all,
> one of my native speaker students used 'ne mozhno' as a response.  I don't
> think
> I've come across that before and was always under the impression that  it
> wasn't
> possible.  Just wondering what your thoughts are on it.
> Thanks
> AM
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