poedyvaet

[John Dunn]

What we do not know, because this is not the sort of verb that gets itself into dictionaries, is whether the verb was coined as поедывать and changed later into поёдывать, or whether it has existed only with ё.  I strongly suspect the latter, in which case we are looking for a model, and I would propose for that honour another facetious verb that has eluded dictionaries only to be captured by the all-seeing algorithms of Dr Google, namely поёбывать.  Though others who move in more refined circles than I seem to do might be able to suggest other possibilities.

John Dunn.  
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Dear Will,
   I'm not sure what sort of assimilation you are proposing. In Labovian terms, change happens initially in one word first and then "diffuses" to other words which share the same phonetic environment in which the initial change occurred. Perhaps, the analogical extension of /e/ > /o/ is now just reaching this particular lexeme. In a lexical diffusionist approach, this distribution is predictable. The facetious usage is no doubt a secondary semantic reanalysis of the original analogical usage, which likely carried no extra indexing.

Best,
   Josh

James Joshua Pennington, PhD
Slavic and Eastern European
Languages and Literatures
The Ohio State University

On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 6:51 AM, william ryan <wfr at sas.ac.uk<mailto:wfr at sas.ac.uk>> wrote:
Dear Josh,
Yes, that much is clearly so, although I would rather describe it as an assimilation than an analogy. My question was perhaps too briefly formulated - more precisely, why has a original yat' been treated as ye>yo only in poedyvat' but not in poedat', poest', and especially poedovat' (which has the same stress pattern), all from the same verb stem? The suggestion of facetiousness arises because there is a kind of word game played in both Russian and English (and no doubt in most other languages) where anomalous forms are deliberately used for a particular effect. E.g. old Russian joke: Conductor on bus: "Mestov net. Reply: Padezhov ne znaesh'!". What I really wanted to know is if an educated Russian is comfortable with the yo in поёдывает or regards it as either substandard or facetious or in any other way stylistically marked.
Regards,
Will

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On 03/09/2012 02:17, Josh Pennington wrote:

Dear Will,
  It's an analogical extension of /e/ to /o/
under stress.

-Josh

On Aug 30, 2012 9:10 PM, "William Ryan" <wfr at sas.ac.uk<mailto:wfr at sas.ac.uk>> wrote:
Is поёдывает a facetious usage? Etymologically the ё should be é, as in poéduet.

Will Ryan

On 30/08/2012 14:23, Alina Israeli wrote:
поёдывает

On Aug 30, 2012, at 4:33 AM, Gladney, Frank Y wrote:

Dear Russian speakers,

Google.ru offers numerous attestations for the verb form _poedyvaet_ 'eats'. How is the root vowel pronounced?

Frank Y. Gladney
Alina Israeli
Associate Professor of Russian
LFS, American University
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Washington DC 20016
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