poedyvaet

[Josh Pennington]

Dear Will,
   I'm not sure what sort of assimilation you are proposing. In Labovian
terms, change happens initially in one word first and then "diffuses" to
other words which share the same phonetic environment in which the initial
change occurred. Perhaps, the analogical extension of /e/ > /o/ is now just
reaching this particular lexeme. In a lexical diffusionist approach, this
distribution is predictable. The facetious usage is no doubt a secondary
semantic reanalysis of the original analogical usage, which likely carried
no extra indexing.

Best,
   Josh

James Joshua Pennington, PhD
Slavic and Eastern European
Languages and Literatures
The Ohio State University

On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 6:51 AM, william ryan <wfr at sas.ac.uk> wrote:

>  Dear Josh,
> Yes, that much is clearly so, although I would rather describe it as an
> assimilation than an analogy. My question was perhaps too briefly
> formulated - more precisely, why has a original yat' been treated as ye>yo
> only in poedyvat' but not in poedat', poest', and especially poedovat'
> (which has the same stress pattern), all from the same verb stem? The
> suggestion of facetiousness arises because there is a kind of word game
> played in both Russian and English (and no doubt in most other languages)
> where anomalous forms are deliberately used for a particular effect. E.g.
> old Russian joke: Conductor on bus: "Mestov net. Reply: Padezhov ne
> znaesh'!". What I really wanted to know is if an educated Russian is
> comfortable with the yo in поёдывает or regards it as either substandard or
> facetious or in any other way stylistically marked.
> Regards,
> Will
>
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>  On 03/09/2012 02:17, Josh Pennington wrote:
>
> Dear Will,
>   It's an analogical extension of /e/ to /o/
> under stress.
>
> -Josh
> On Aug 30, 2012 9:10 PM, "William Ryan" <wfr at sas.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>> Is поёдывает a facetious usage? Etymologically the ё should be é, as in
>> poéduet.
>>
>> Will Ryan
>>
>> On 30/08/2012 14:23, Alina Israeli wrote:
>>
>>> поёдывает
>>>
>>> On Aug 30, 2012, at 4:33 AM, Gladney, Frank Y wrote:
>>>
>>>  Dear Russian speakers,
>>>>
>>>> Google.ru offers numerous attestations for the verb form _poedyvaet_
>>>> 'eats'. How is the root vowel pronounced?
>>>>
>>>> Frank Y. Gladney
>>>>
>>> Alina Israeli
>>> Associate Professor of Russian
>>> LFS, American University
>>> 4400 Massachusetts Ave.
>>> Washington DC 20016
>>> (202) 885-2387     fax (202) 885-1076
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Slavic and Eastern European
Languages and Literatures
The Ohio State University

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