Ukraine/The Ukraine

[Anna Frajlich-Zajac]

Dear All,

The general rule concerning v/na in Polish is widely understood as closed vs. open space. Of course sometimes  it may be metaphoric; sometimes emphatic.
Regards,
AF

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> On Jun 19, 2014, at 9:06 PM, anne marie devlin <anne_mariedevlin at HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
> 
> Dear all
> My interest is in linguistic variation and change and v/na + Ukraine and Ukraine/the  are both great examples.However what I'm preparing an article on at the moment is how the variable of v/na is being used to index political identities by those posting comments to online articles concerning the annexation of Crimea. 
> I've just statistically analysed the data and preliminary results show , while indicating an overall movement towards v, that the choice is strongly predicated on political viewpoint. 
> I'm presenting the paper at a sociolinguistic summer school in Dublin next month. If anyone's interested I'd be happy to share the paper after that.
> With regards the use of w/na in Polish, a Polish friend related how the difference was explained to him in school. If the country used to be Polish, use na. Hence na. + Latvia, Lithuania and Ukraine, but not Estonia. He could never understand why it was w + Siberia!
> AM
> 
> > Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 12:58:02 -0400
> > From: aisrael at AMERICAN.EDU
> > Subject: Re: [SEELANGS] Ukraine/The Ukraine
> > To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > 
> > That's "conservative" for you. BBC still says "Peking" while the US has gotten used to Beijing. It was the same story: the name was changed by request from the government, and it was awkward in the beginning but a couple of generations later it has become a norm. Trubachev's grandchildren will get used to it, if they are still in Russia.
> > 
> > Alina
> > 
> > On Jun 18, 2014, at 6:57 PM, Robert Orr <colkitto at rogers.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > "Ukraine" had already become commonplace in Canada while "The Ukraine" was still almost universal in Britain, and in the early 90's, I recall some British scholars being surprised at hearing "Ukraine".
> > > 
> > > It was also in 1993 that I remember Oleg Trubacev expressing his displeasure, in a private conversation, at the "ухорежущее" nature of "в Украине".
> > > 
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