Siouan ki- 'become (again)', 'return to'

[Jan Ullrich]

David, 

Thanks for clarifying that. I don't have enough background in historical
and comparative linguistics to decide between the two ki-, but I do
agree that vertitives mean "come/go back" rather than "come/go home".
Is it possible that the possessive ki-  and the 'return' ki- have a
common source?

Jan


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Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 5:10 PM
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Subject: RE: Siouan ki- 'become (again)', 'return to'



Jan, that's how I interpreted Bob's suggestion that the -ki- 'revert; 
become' is historically related to the -ki- of the vertatives, and 
distinct from any of the others.  I think we're saying that the morpheme

in the vertatives is NOT the possessive.  But Bob will have to supply
the 
cross-linguistic data for that.

David S. Rood
Dept. of Linguistics
Univ. of Colorado
295 UCB
Boulder, CO 80309-0295
USA
rood at colorado.edu

On Thu, 13 Dec 2007, Jan Ullrich wrote:

>
>> I'm going to side with Bob on this one.  It seems to me that the 
>> basic
>
>> meaning of the vertatives is not 'toward home' but 'back (again)'.
> Over
>> and over in the texts we read "i na gli na...." -- 'went there and
> came
>> back and...' without the concept of 'home' anywhere around.
>
> I fully agree that the vertitives mean "back" rather than "home". I 
> didn't think that was in contradiction to the possessive analysis that

> I sided with, but perhaps it is. Or are you suggesting that the ki- 
> that potentially formed the vertitives is the same ki- 'return back to

> the original state"? I might be missing some e-mails from this thread 
> as it seems my spam filter has been acting up lately.
>
>> Allan had an explanation for khi but I've forgotten it -- and I can't
> put
>> my hands on the paper right now, either.  Bob?
>
> Would be good to know.
>
> Jan
>



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