wanonscopakmik

[George Wilmes]

Hi Bruce, I see on Google Maps that there is a lake called "Wononskopomuc"
just south of Lakeville, Connecticut. Does that spelling help? (I don't
have Bright's dictionary.)

The usgs.gov site has a great place-name lookup facility, but it is
currently down due to the government shutdown.


On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 10:51 AM, shokooh Ingham <shokoohbanou at yahoo.co.uk>wrote:

> Thanks Bob,
> Yes, as you say, I am catching up on a huge backlog, all very interesting.
>  I have been over in Connecticut for three weeks and couldn't use the
> internet for fear of upsetting my hosts computer, both of us being novices.
>  Anyway it's all very interesting. I managed to look up the local mountain
> range , the takonic range, and found in Bright's dictionary that it is from
> tahkenek 'in the woods', e meaning shewa, and is probably Mohican.  However
> I was not able to find the local lake 'Lakeville lake', which I was told
> was called wanonscopamik. It looks like a good Algonquian work, but I
> couldn't find anything similar in Bright.  Any ideas anyone?
> Bruce
>
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>  *From:* "Rankin, Robert L." <rankin at KU.EDU>
> *To:* SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu
> *Sent:* Saturday, 5 October 2013, 23:19
> *Subject:* BL and GL initials.
>
>  Hi Bruce,
>
> I think you must be catching up on a lot of back email.  :-)
>
> As you get more up-to-date I think you'll find the answers to all your
> questions about these clusters.  The back-and-forth went on for quite some
> time.  I collected all vocabulary from Dakota, Omaha, Ponca, Osage, Kansa
> and Quapaw that has a reflex of Mississippi Valley Siouan GL or BL.  Accent
> in these words DOES in fact fall on the initial syllable in all but
> Dakotan, exactly as you predict it should.  It's only Dakota that's changed.
>
> Best,
>
> Bob
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> *From:* Siouan Linguistics [SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu] on behalf of shokooh
> Ingham [shokoohbanou at YAHOO.CO.UK]
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 05, 2013 2:38 PM
> *To:* SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu
> *Subject:* Re: Locatives and wa- problems.
>
>   I don't get that.  If gluha and bluha were three syllables, wouldn't
> the stress be glUha and blUha rather than gluhA and bluhA?
>  Bruce
>
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> *From:* "Rankin, Robert L." <rankin at KU.EDU>
> *To:* SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu
> *Sent:* Monday, 9 September 2013, 16:15
> *Subject:* Re: Locatives and wa- problems.
>
>  I think you'd be wrong.  By accent placement rules and by morphological
> analysis the GL and BL clusters count as two syllables.  The little
> phonetic tics are immaterial.  Fortunately or unfortunately the Gs all go
> back to full syllables, mostly KI while the Bs of the BL clusters all go
> back to WA or WI.  All were morphemes also.  Ordinarily the prehistory of
> these things might not matter, but the accent rules still seem to be able
> to treat the Gs and Bs as morae for purposes of assigning stress
> synchronically.  This is especially true of Hochunk which, assuming Ken
> Miner was right, is a mora counting language.  I'm guessing that Dakotan is
> too.
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>
>   > Phonetically, there is a schwa in there.  But phonologically, I would
> count glV- as one syllable.
>
> Actually, that's backwards.  Phonetically BLV and GLV *may* form single
> syllables but phonologically they count as two for the reasons cited
> above.  \
>
> It gets worse, of course.  If the structure is CVglV the syllabification
> rules for Siouan languages assign the /g/ phonetically to the second
> syllable along with the initial member of all other CC clusters.  I
> remember telling an Australian linguist that and being laughed at because
> he believed that syllable boundaries could be derived from a "universal."
> It's all very messy, but it's a fact that CL clusters can behave as two
> syllables for various phonological purposes and perhaps as single
> syllables for yet other purposes.
>
>
> Bob
>
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