AW: [SLLING-L] Plain verbs in signed languages

[I.Zwitserlood]

Daniela,

I would also be interested in a copy of your 
work. I think I can handle the German ;-)

Best,
Inge Zwitserlood


At 09:04 9-1-2008, you wrote:
>Hi Scholastica,
>
>
>in my research I found that the so called plain 
>verbs aren´t really plain. They contain 
>morphemes of person and space, f.e. the DGS 
>(German Sign Language) verb BEZAHLEN (to pay). 
>But the person/space morphemes aren´t strong 
>enough to identify exactly personal agreement or 
>space agreement. In my work I call these verbs 
>weak agreement verbs (schwach kongruente 
>Verben). I´m sorry, my work is in German and not 
>English, but if you understand German, contact 
>me and I will send you an excerpt of the article 
>I wrote with a colleague (D.Happ & M.-O. 
>Vorköper 2005: Einige Bemerkungen zur 
>syntaktischen und morphologischen Repräsentation 
>von Numerus in Deutscher Gebärdensprache. In: 
>Leuninger, Helen & Daniela Happ (Hrsg.): 
>Gebärdensprachen: Struktur, Erwerb, Verwendung 
>(Linguistische Berichte. Sonderheft 13). Hamburg: Buske, P. 97 ff.)
>
>To all: sorry for my ill english.
>
>Best regards,
>
>Daniela
>
>
>
>
>Von: slling-l-bounces at majordomo.valenciacc.edu 
>[mailto:slling-l-bounces at majordomo.valenciacc.edu] Im Auftrag von Schola Lam
>Gesendet: Dienstag, 8. Januar 2008 17:54
>An: A list for linguists interested in signed languages
>Betreff: Re: [SLLING-L] Plain verbs in signed languages
>
>Hi everyone,
>
>I think I need to rephrase my question. Sorry 
>for any misunderstandings caused.
>
>I tried to adopt Padden's (1983, 1988) verb 
>classification for my HKSL data. Yet I want to 
>clarify the notion plain verbs. I wonder if what 
>have been called plain verbs may not be really 
>"plain" in terms of morphology (e.g. verb 
>agreement, aspect, etc) when more studies are 
>done on ASL and other signed languages.
>
>Did anyone observe that the so-called plain 
>verbs may actually be marked with morphemes in signed languages?
>
>Scholastica
>
>"Mark A. Mandel" <mamandel at ldc.upenn.edu> wrote:
>"Scholastica" (Nini Hoiting?) wrote:
>
>#I am a research student who works on Hong Kong Sign Language. My focus of
>#study is verbs. I would like to confirm if plain verbs are generally
>#unmarked for verb agreement and spatial locations.
>
>Dan Slobin answered:
>
>#By defnition, a "plain verb" is one that cannot move in space, and so it
>#cannot mark agreement and spatial locations in itself. But in many sign
>#languages (including Sign Language of the Netherlands, Taiwanese Sign
>#Language, and others), there are "auxiliary" verbs that accompany a "plain"
>#verb. Such accompanying verbs do move in space to indicate relations such
>#as source-goal, agent-patient, and so forth.
>
>Denise Wetzler added:
>
>#In American Sign Language, verbs move. The movement itself contains a great
>#amount of information. If want to show that I will go from my house to the
>#bank and then to the library, these three locations are first established in
>#the signing space. How I sign the verb 'go-to' then will show where I
>#started from; went to; and where I ended up. [...]
>
>
>It's essential to know what Scholastica means by 
>"plain verb". Dan is evidently
>assuming that S. has the same definition for it that he does.
>
>A sign that does not move in space can nevertheless mark agreement with a
>spatial location, by its orientation and 
>possibly its location as well. Example:
>ASL PITY (open-8 handshape, palm toward object, middle finger repeatedly
>bending).
>
>Clarification of Denise's answer: in ASL, *many* 
>verbs move [in space], but by
>no means all of them.
>
>-- Mark A. Mandel
>Linguistic Data Consortium, University of Pennsylvania
>
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